The law is a joke!

[greygoose]

schmunk said:

Those of you proposing life (or death) sentences, what would you consider to be a fair sentence if he'd been caught speeding in the same circumstances, without crashing?

80 in a 30 would a be a year long ban if I were King, as he had no licence anyway it would be a year in prison with daily work clearing rubbish from motorway verges.

[xRIEx]

SEE YA said:

Until you are in that position, to lose someone in your family due to the above.
Who knows how we would feel then?

Its hard to say then you go to court, and the person only gets eight years a slap in the face and a joke.

Sorry eye for a eye for me.

I've not been to prison, but I don't think eight years (or six years, as in this case) following a guilty plea is a slap in the face - it's a serious sentence.

Eye for an eye? You think that the killer should be killed? If that were law, then there would be nothing stopping him from going on a killing spree while attempting to avoid being arrested - there is nothing worse that could be done to him in law after killing one person, so why not kill anyone who would be a threat? At the end of the rampage, suicide by cop is probably preferable to a state death penalty anyway.

[e21Mark]

OpulentBob said:

xRIEx said:

e21Mark said:

Why would there be underage girls in the car?

He's possibly confusing Rochdale with Rotherham.

No, I'm not.

Well that's cleared that up.

[MGJohn]

B'stard Child said:

BlackLabel said:

According to the Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3101081/Pi...

"A friend hired it on behalf of Haroon as he only held a provisional licence and he had been giving lifts to a number of his friends."

Hope he gets same sentence

Agreed. So should also be penalised for the deliberate abuse of basic laws of the land. Some folks do not have the same attitudes towards the law and standards most of us should have. When found out, they should be made accountable.

Rochdale is fast becoming famous as Rotherham for all the right reasons.... same difference.

[MGJohn]

greygoose said:

schmunk said:

Those of you proposing life (or death) sentences, what would you consider to be a fair sentence if he'd been caught speeding in the same circumstances, without crashing?

80 in a 30 would a be a year long ban if I were King, as he had no licence anyway it would be a year in prison with daily work clearing rubbish from motorway verges.

I saw what you did there...

[fido]

This isn't the same as someone who has their own car and license then engages in a bit of traffic lights grand prix. He's taken several illegal steps to get behind the wheel of a high-powered car and then driven it like a total lunatic. Should have the book thrown at him, and so should his accomplices. The fact that they tried to leg/taxi from the accident shows the utter s they are.

Edited by fido on Friday 29th May 12:49

[SEE YA]

MGJohn said:

greygoose said:

schmunk said:

Those of you proposing life (or death) sentences, what would you consider to be a fair sentence if he'd been caught speeding in the same circumstances, without crashing?

80 in a 30 would a be a year long ban if I were King, as he had no licence anyway it would be a year in prison with daily work clearing rubbish from motorway verges.

I saw what you did there...

OOPS HIT&RUN be out in a few years if you got caught.

Edited by SEE YA on Friday 29th May 12:56

[Hooli]

OpulentBob said:

xRIEx said:

e21Mark said:

Why would there be underage girls in the car?

He's possibly confusing Rochdale with Rotherham.

No, I'm not.

It's the same in most towns.

And it's not a new thing. It was a well known thing about arab students at the local college in Worthing back in the mid-90s.

Edited by Hooli on Friday 29th May 13:20

[TwigtheWonderkid]

AlexC1981 said:

Not defending him, but when you are 19 you don't really think about the consequences of driving fast.

If that's actually true, we should probably think about raising the minimum driving age to an level where they do think about it.

[AlexC1981]

oyster said:

AlexC1981 said:

Not defending him, but when you are 19 you don't really think about the consequences of driving fast. When I was 19 my car had 47bhp. Looking back, I'm glad that's all it had!

Rubbish.

I'd say most 12 year olds know the risks and consequences, let alone an 18 year old.


I can't believe how people can come on here and defend a fully grown MAN who willfully took risks with other peoples' lives. Innocent lives.

Driving uninsured - not many 18 year olds would do that.
Driving unlicenced - not many 18 year olds would do that.
Driving dangerously - not many 18 year olds would do that.
Driving through a red light - 18 year olds don't do this.
Driving obscenely fast (80+ in a 30) - 18 year olds again don't do this

This poor excuse of a human managed to do all of the above - at the same time. Age is no excuse. He is human vermin.

As someone else said, what sentence would someone get for spraying bullets randomly down the street and killing someone? Why is it so different when a vehicle is involved?

I'm not excusing him, just hypothesising a reason for his thoughtlessness. You don't see OAPs doing this sort of thing, do you? People become less reckless as they get older.

TwigtheWonderkid said:

AlexC1981 said:

Not defending him, but when you are 19 you don't really think about the consequences of driving fast.

If that's actually true, we should probably think about raising the minimum driving age to an level where they do think about it.

When I was 20 owning a car was a requirement of my job. Perhaps a power limit of say, 55bhp up to 21 years old and 110bhp up to 25.

[Du1point8]

AlexC1981 said:

Not defending him, but when you are 19 you don't really think about the consequences of driving fast.

At 19 I knew I was not allowed to drive a car without having a full licence.

So he knew he was not good enough a driver to get a full licence, or the rules don't apply to him, so he gets a friend with a licence to get a car as he's too impatient to learn the rules of the road and learn how to drive.

Glad he got put away, but I would also throw the book at the friend for empowering him to being able to injure/kill someone else as they knew he could not and should not drive.

Stupid when I was young might have been borrowing parents car when I lived in the middle of nowhere, it was not speeding through a residential street at over double the speed limit.

[anonymous-user]

6 years is a stronger sentence for even the most serious motoring offencess.

I guess most people would want to see people go to prison for greater lengths of time. The question is, where would they all go?

The usable operational capacity is currently 88,047. As of yesterday there are 85,669 people in prison.

[Halb]

A few nice large capacity modern orisons built?

[anonymous-user]

£££!!

[Scuffers]

La Liga said:

6 years is a stronger sentence for even the most serious motoring offencess.

I guess most people would want to see people go to prison for greater lengths of time. The question is, where would they all go?

The usable operational capacity is currently 88,047. As of yesterday there are 85,669 people in prison.

the problem here is that on the face of it, he will not be locked up for anything like 6 years.

and ignoring that, he has KILLED somebody, yet seem to have no remorse at all.

Look, we all speed t some point, however, I do not believe that 99.9% of us could do something so clearly idiotic as this, and god forbid we were involved in a fatality that was 100% down to us, would be in somewhat of a different demeanor.

This is why the general public have an issue with sentences like this.

I note also no word on the 'friend' that hired the car, he must surely be guilty of aiding and abetting at the very least?

[anonymous-user]

The car-hiring friend isn't culpable for the deaths. He didn't hire the car with the purpose of the facilitating a fatal collision, he did it to allow his friend to drive the car because he didn't have a licence.

I understand why people would want a longer sentence. People most likely want longer sentences for many offences. The practical problem once more becomes, "where do you put them?" It won't take many longer sentences to go beyond our capacity.

[4v6]

La Liga said:

The car-hiring friend isn't culpable for the deaths. He didn't hire the car with the purpose of the facilitating a fatal collision, he did it to allow his friend to drive the car because he didn't have a licence.

I understand why people would want a longer sentence. People most likely want longer sentences for many offences. The practical problem once more becomes, "where do you put them?" It won't take many longer sentences to go beyond our capacity.

Facilitating the comission of a crime?

How about since he knew what his pal there did previously whilst driving illegally, ie acting like a 100% anushole kinda makes him at least 50% responsible for the death of an innocent man, no?

As for his "intent" anyone, anyone at all already knows the likely outcome of a high speed collision with another vehicle or human in such an area so the intent arguments wont wash, he was absolutely aware of what can happen yet he drove intending to put himself and others at risk by his actions.

Adding to that is his arrogance.
Ive seen this kind of shoulder chip before from certain ethnics, and no its not confined entirely to them but it does appear to me at least to be more of a prevalent attitude, one of not giving a st about the consequences of their actions.
A particular knobber in wolverhampton whose family are multi millionaires left a child brain damaged due to his obscenely stupid and reckless attitudes towards driving, did some pathetic sentence then gets arrested again recently.
This guy in the article also displays that same casual attitude towards a human life by saying he thought he'd get off lightly with a 1 year sentence of some kind.
In the event he'll do about 3 or four and be out on licence.
Very much will ensure he wont do it again, huh?

I say that attitudes displayed by defendants should be taken into account when sentencing.

[dazwalsh]

A truely horrific story. Probably a fitting jail term however upon his release a lifetime ban from driving. Those speeds were just too bloody reckless to allow him behind a wheel ever again.

His mate, knowingly hiring him a car like that should have to pay the full bill, and if he goes bankrupt in the process then so be it.

[Bodo]

It seems like people elsewhere also felt that six years is not enough, and started a petition:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

While it had 4,000 supporters 22h ago, it reached 8,000 40mins ago:
https://www.change.org/p/government-general-public...

[Halb]

It's a shame that something like Order-Order doesn't bet behind it, like it did for it's Clarkson one.