BBC licence fee poll.

Poll: BBC licence fee poll.

Total Members Polled: 1030

I don't pay - I don't watch live TV: 11%
I don't pay - I refuse to fund the BBC: 6%
I pay reluctantly: 43%
I pay willingly: 14%
I pay happily, it's a bargain: 21%
I don't need to pay: 4%
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chrispmartha

15,490 posts

129 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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turbobloke said:
chrispmartha said:
Nothingtoseehere said:
chrispmartha said:
Precisely, some people are so blinkered by their issue with paying a TV license that they can't get passed that.

The fact is we do have to pay the license in this country, its just one of those things we have to pay you may aswell use the service, as you day Radio 6 and BBC 4 are full of great stuff
You're so blinkered into thinking everybody likes the same as you.
I have no interest in R6 or bbc4 and as for that series.... No thanks.
Quite the opposite, I understand everybody has different tastes and likes, my point being there is a lot of varied programming available from the BBC, but it seems sone peoples views are clouded because they don't agree with having to pay a broadcasting license fee, so they automatically dismiss BBC content
Where is there a post to that effect? Convenient made up view is made up.

People who want to watch BBC output should pay for it,. Those who don't want to watch any of it should not have to pay. Arguing the toss over bits and pieces of content should be a matter only for those who want to watch BBC programming, i.e. whether they should have to pay for the lot regardless of what they would choose to view, or only the bits they like and would want to watch. For others it should be a moot point as they ought not to be funding something they don't use, i.e. watch, in any way. The other non-BBC element (10% approx) of the licence fee could still be paid so they/we can watch other live broadcasts.
The post that said they looked at what was on BBCand it was all cash in the attic etc.

My take on it is we are all better off for having the BBC paid from our broadcast license, you clearly disagree, unfortunately for you it looks like we have at least 10 years of this being the case.

anyway you've never answeted this simle yes/no question, do you have a TV license?

turbobloke

103,956 posts

260 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Sky is currently running ads on cable for individual sports channels so you pay for the sport(s) you want to watch and not others that you don't watch.

What a shockingly reasonable principle that could be applied to the BBC's entire output as well as parts of it.

Want to watch = pay, don't watch = don't pay...and in the process don't subsidise selfish types who are happy to sit back and soak up the propaganda which is part-paid by others within a captive client base.

turbobloke

103,956 posts

260 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/141570-10-new-sky-...

"Sky customers themselves can opt for just one, two or three of the channels to reduce the monthly cost."

Even better, if sport on Sky isn't your thing and you don't watch any of the new dedicated channels, you don't pay anything. That sure 'reduces the cost'. WakeTFU beeb/gov't.


chrispmartha

15,490 posts

129 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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turbobloke said:
Sky is currently running ads on cable for individual sports channels so you pay for the sport(s) you want to watch and not others that you don't watch.

What a shockingly reasonable principle that could be applied to the BBC's entire output as well as parts of it.

Want to watch = pay, don't watch = don't pay...and in the process don't subsidise selfish types who are happy to sit back and soak up the propaganda which is part-paid by others within a captive client base.
Propoganda - you see your paranoia is clouding your view.

Sky, reasonable :-) the new sports structure is good as it means I can save a bit of money as I don't watch football (Rugby League is my game) however I am under non illusions that even if i'm not paying for sky premiership the fee i pay is still contributing to the ridiculous amount of money that goes into football.

Tv license yes or no?

turbobloke

103,956 posts

260 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.

chrispmartha

15,490 posts

129 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?

vournikas

11,710 posts

204 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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turbobloke said:
People who want to watch BBC output should pay for it.
I'm cool with that.

Should the licence fee be scrapped, I'd still pay the equivalent cost per month to listen R3 as a "chillout" tax (except when they broadcast some of Arnold Schoenberg's offerings, upon which I'll ask for a refund)



Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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If the BBC'S output is as wonderful as some claim then surely they'll have no trouble in attracting advertisers.

Randy Winkman

16,136 posts

189 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Cold said:
If the BBC'S output is as wonderful as some claim then surely they'll have no trouble in attracting advertisers.
They wouldn't. So?

Cotty

39,542 posts

284 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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chrispmartha said:
turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?
Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.

chrispmartha

15,490 posts

129 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Cotty said:
chrispmartha said:
turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?
Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.
Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

102 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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chrispmartha said:
Cotty said:
chrispmartha said:
turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?
Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.
Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license
Bonus? Being forced to pay under threat of law a media broadcaster, use them or not, if you have the cheek to watch a live broadcast from another media company?

It's totally absurd. I've not had a TV license for around 18 months , quite simply because I found myself watching little or nothing on live channels, a couple of hours a week, if that. From memory , I think Robot Wars was the last thing I watched on the BBC . The penny dropped that everything that I was watching and worth watching, was streamed online. Thats how its stayed.

Fact is though, if I became aware of the odd programme airing on any channel , I'd not be able to watch it under threat of sanction, that, is fking ridiculous. The "license" should be scrapped and a form of PPV or subscription model introduced, freedom of choice, and no more endless letters , threatening a "case" being opened , and indeed, visits from goons who want to enter your home.

Time the BBC was funded by modern options,choices, etc, not outmoded authoritarian enforcement.

Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Randy Winkman said:
Cold said:
If the BBC'S output is as wonderful as some claim then surely they'll have no trouble in attracting advertisers.
They wouldn't. So?
Then I can see a potential revenue stream away from a needless catch-all tax (with threats of imprisonment for non-compliance).

chrispmartha

15,490 posts

129 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Hosenbugler said:
chrispmartha said:
Cotty said:
chrispmartha said:
turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?
Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.
Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license
Bonus? Being forced to pay under threat of law a media broadcaster, use them or not, if you have the cheek to watch a live broadcast from another media company?

It's totally absurd. I've not had a TV license for around 18 months , quite simply because I found myself watching little or nothing on live channels, a couple of hours a week, if that. From memory , I think Robot Wars was the last thing I watched on the BBC . The penny dropped that everything that I was watching and worth watching, was streamed online. Thats how its stayed.

Fact is though, if I became aware of the odd programme airing on any channel , I'd not be able to watch it under threat of sanction, that, is fking ridiculous. The "license" should be scrapped and a form of PPV or subscription model introduced, freedom of choice, and no more endless letters , threatening a "case" being opened , and indeed, visits from goons who want to enter your home.

Time the BBC was funded by modern options,choices, etc, not outmoded authoritarian enforcement.
And if the license was scrapped,bbc gone and you had to pay a broadcast tax, would you be OK with that?

TTwiggy

11,538 posts

204 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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It's amazing that the issue of paying a licence fee was such a non-issue for so many years. It's almost as if a foreign media-mogul billionaire had spent the last 25-30 years utilising the reach of his print media to attack the main competitor for his broadcast empire. Imagine that. Outrageous eh? And it's almost as if we've reached the point where this billionaire media-mogul has got so many people so convinced that the BBC is evil that they willingly promote his company as some sort of 'fair' deal compared with the BBC. Incredible.

Somebody once asked me, on the MASSIVE other BBC-bashing thread, if I worked for the beeb (I don't). Maybe I should start asking whether some posters work for Murdoch?

Nothingtoseehere

7,379 posts

154 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Who said the BBC is evil?
Don't watch it,don't want to pay for it,not that complicated is it?

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

102 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
quotequote all
chrispmartha said:
Hosenbugler said:
chrispmartha said:
Cotty said:
chrispmartha said:
turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?
Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.
Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license
Bonus? Being forced to pay under threat of law a media broadcaster, use them or not, if you have the cheek to watch a live broadcast from another media company?

It's totally absurd. I've not had a TV license for around 18 months , quite simply because I found myself watching little or nothing on live channels, a couple of hours a week, if that. From memory , I think Robot Wars was the last thing I watched on the BBC . The penny dropped that everything that I was watching and worth watching, was streamed online. Thats how its stayed.

Fact is though, if I became aware of the odd programme airing on any channel , I'd not be able to watch it under threat of sanction, that, is fking ridiculous. The "license" should be scrapped and a form of PPV or subscription model introduced, freedom of choice, and no more endless letters , threatening a "case" being opened , and indeed, visits from goons who want to enter your home.

Time the BBC was funded by modern options,choices, etc, not outmoded authoritarian enforcement.
And if the license was scrapped,bbc gone and you had to pay a broadcast tax, would you be OK with that?
For national radio stations (not local) possibly, because on the scale of things its peanuts, therefore only a small/tiny tax burden. Broadcast TV? No. The BBC needs to be forced to stand on its own feet and justify its existence , a freeload on the back of the taxpayer would only make it worse. . That goes for any broadcaster ,they are not an essential service. .

There is little doubt that under PPV or subs, there would be some BBC content I'd watch and be prepared to pay for, but from past experience, very sparse, and most definitely not worth £145 per annum.

TTwiggy

11,538 posts

204 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Nothingtoseehere said:
Who said the BBC is evil?
There's quite a big thread running on its (perceived) lefty bias.

Nothingtoseehere said:
Don't watch it,don't want to pay for it,not that complicated is it?
You pay the fee to receive live broadcasts. If you don't want to watch live TV, don't pay it. Not that complicated, is it?

chrispmartha

15,490 posts

129 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Hosenbugler said:
chrispmartha said:
Hosenbugler said:
chrispmartha said:
Cotty said:
chrispmartha said:
turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?
Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.
Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license
Bonus? Being forced to pay under threat of law a media broadcaster, use them or not, if you have the cheek to watch a live broadcast from another media company?

It's totally absurd. I've not had a TV license for around 18 months , quite simply because I found myself watching little or nothing on live channels, a couple of hours a week, if that. From memory , I think Robot Wars was the last thing I watched on the BBC . The penny dropped that everything that I was watching and worth watching, was streamed online. Thats how its stayed.

Fact is though, if I became aware of the odd programme airing on any channel , I'd not be able to watch it under threat of sanction, that, is fking ridiculous. The "license" should be scrapped and a form of PPV or subscription model introduced, freedom of choice, and no more endless letters , threatening a "case" being opened , and indeed, visits from goons who want to enter your home.

Time the BBC was funded by modern options,choices, etc, not outmoded authoritarian enforcement.
And if the license was scrapped,bbc gone and you had to pay a broadcast tax, would you be OK with that?
For national radio stations (not local) possibly, because on the scale of things its peanuts, therefore only a small/tiny tax burden. Broadcast TV? No. The BBC needs to be forced to stand on its own feet and justify its existence , a freeload on the back of the taxpayer would only make it worse. . That goes for any broadcaster ,they are not an essential service. .

There is little doubt that under PPV or subs, there would be some BBC content I'd watch and be prepared to pay for, but from past experience, very sparse, and most definitely not worth £145 per annum.
You are missing my point, many other countries pay a broadcast tax and in some cases it is higher than ours yet they don't get a service comparable to the BBC, if the BBC became sslf funding yet you still had to pay the £145 per year would you be happy?

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

102 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
quotequote all
chrispmartha said:
Hosenbugler said:
chrispmartha said:
Hosenbugler said:
chrispmartha said:
Cotty said:
chrispmartha said:
turbobloke said:
Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.
Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?
Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.
Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license
Bonus? Being forced to pay under threat of law a media broadcaster, use them or not, if you have the cheek to watch a live broadcast from another media company?

It's totally absurd. I've not had a TV license for around 18 months , quite simply because I found myself watching little or nothing on live channels, a couple of hours a week, if that. From memory , I think Robot Wars was the last thing I watched on the BBC . The penny dropped that everything that I was watching and worth watching, was streamed online. Thats how its stayed.

Fact is though, if I became aware of the odd programme airing on any channel , I'd not be able to watch it under threat of sanction, that, is fking ridiculous. The "license" should be scrapped and a form of PPV or subscription model introduced, freedom of choice, and no more endless letters , threatening a "case" being opened , and indeed, visits from goons who want to enter your home.

Time the BBC was funded by modern options,choices, etc, not outmoded authoritarian enforcement.
And if the license was scrapped,bbc gone and you had to pay a broadcast tax, would you be OK with that?
For national radio stations (not local) possibly, because on the scale of things its peanuts, therefore only a small/tiny tax burden. Broadcast TV? No. The BBC needs to be forced to stand on its own feet and justify its existence , a freeload on the back of the taxpayer would only make it worse. . That goes for any broadcaster ,they are not an essential service. .

There is little doubt that under PPV or subs, there would be some BBC content I'd watch and be prepared to pay for, but from past experience, very sparse, and most definitely not worth £145 per annum.
You are missing my point, many other countries pay a broadcast tax and in some cases it is higher than ours yet they don't get a service comparable to the BBC, if the BBC became sslf funding yet you still had to pay the £145 per year would you be happy?
What other countries do is irrelevant to me , all they have done, after all, is followed the BBC funding model, the BBC were the first kids on the block, after all.

As already said, I don't watch live TV because I watched very, very litlle of it. So as for £145 per annum, for something I rarely/don't watch , nope, not at all.Utter waste of money. No different to buying £145 of food a year you know you'll not eat,just a waste.