BBC licence fee poll.

Poll: BBC licence fee poll.

Total Members Polled: 1030

I don't pay - I don't watch live TV: 11%
I don't pay - I refuse to fund the BBC: 6%
I pay reluctantly: 43%
I pay willingly: 14%
I pay happily, it's a bargain: 21%
I don't need to pay: 4%
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C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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chrispmartha

15,524 posts

130 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.
Precisely

That BBC don't need to chase ratings for everything they make means we get a diverse range of programmes that wouldn't get made if it was all down to figures, they make some excellent stuff if you just stray from BBC1 and we as a country benefit from that, IMHO

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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chrispmartha said:
La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.
Precisely

That BBC don't need to chase ratings for everything they make means we get a diverse range of programmes that wouldn't get made if it was all down to figures, they make some excellent stuff if you just stray from BBC1 and we as a country benefit from that, IMHO
Agree with everything above!

Cotty

39,619 posts

285 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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The BBC has, for the first time, published salaries of its highest paid stars - with all those earning £150,000 or more included.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40653...

Glad I don't pay it but wish they would stop with the threatening letters, I don't watch TV.

kev1974

4,029 posts

130 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Not sure why people that just read the news out a couple of days a week are getting half-million plus. Sure they could get plenty of people just as good at reading it out for £30k. And quite surprised that Claudia Winkleman is their highest paid woman, she's useless. Could also be replaced by, well almost anyone.

Nothingtoseehere

7,379 posts

155 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.
What a load of tosh.
If it produces such superb content let it stand on its own two feet by subscription.
Just because you find it amazing doesn't mean everybody else does,we're not all in awe of its great 'creativity'.

Randy Winkman

16,214 posts

190 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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kev1974 said:
Not sure why people that just read the news out a couple of days a week are getting half-million plus. Sure they could get plenty of people just as good at reading it out for £30k. And quite surprised that Claudia Winkleman is their highest paid woman, she's useless. Could also be replaced by, well almost anyone.
How much do such people get on other channels?

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Nothingtoseehere said:
La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.
What a load of tosh.
If it produces such superb content let it stand on its own two feet by subscription.
Just because you find it amazing doesn't mean everybody else does,we're not all in awe of its great 'creativity'.
Sub-model shapes it into a purely commercial enterprise rather than an independent one.





Cold

15,255 posts

91 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Channel 4 has a similar broadcasting brief to the Beeb but has to be commercially viable. It seems to work ok. Maybe it really is time to allow the BBC to prove its popularity beyond its tax income?

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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chrispmartha said:
Precisely

That BBC don't need to chase ratings for everything they make means we get a diverse range of programmes that wouldn't get made if it was all down to figures, they make some excellent stuff if you just stray from BBC1 and we as a country benefit from that, IMHO
One only needs to look at public broadcasting in the USA...whistle

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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La Liga said:
Nothingtoseehere said:
La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.
What a load of tosh.
If it produces such superb content let it stand on its own two feet by subscription.
Just because you find it amazing doesn't mean everybody else does,we're not all in awe of its great 'creativity'.
Sub-model shapes it into a purely commercial enterprise rather than an independent one.
Do stop blathering on. I stopped reading when you said pseudo adult cool. Strewth...

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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mybrainhurts said:
Do stop blathering on. I stopped reading when you said pseudo adult cool. Strewth.
If you stopped at that point you wouldn't know what my point was.




AJL308

6,390 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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dandarez said:
BlackLabel said:
Just been down that list.

Oh well. Nothing surprising.

Oh wait! - No C Evans listed on Radio.

Hang on... the highest paid?
£2,200,000 – £2,249,999
one Chris Evans – Presentereek

Were the beeb hoping we'd miss him not being listed in Radio?
I doubt it given that his name is the last one before the section entitled "Radio".

Sarcasm aside - some of these figures are just staggering, in fact "obscene" is not too strong a word, I don't think. How on earth can they possibly be justified in the context of a state broadcaster? Chris Evans; ok he's not bad (well, he's not quite the arrogant bell-end he used to be), and you could argue that he is quite talented especially when it comes to the production side of things but, fk me, £2.2m+ - for doing what, precisely, and why does that represent good value to the state??? Jeremy Vine £700K+ for basically talking to people? WTF?

Any argument that "well, it's what the market rate in the private sector is, 'innit" simply doesn't wash. It [b]isn't[b] the private sector spending their own money. It's the state spending our tax. A tax we have to pay to use certain equipment even if we never use the state broadcaster. There might be logic behind the argument if the people concerned had genuine offers of work from said "private sector" when they went to the BBC. Even then, that only makes out half of the case - it still doesn't make out the justification that the state should actually match it.



AJL308

6,390 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.
But you could easily find loads of people to do just as good a job as Jeremy Vine for substantially less than his £700K+ a year. The Jeremy Vine show is not "superb" content, it's just fluff that lots of people could do just as well if not better.

turbobloke

104,074 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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BlackLabel said:
That list of presenters earning more than £200k is a great source of ironic comedy if anyone is feeling depressed.

There's a risk that when the irony wears off you may get more depressed but nothing ventured nothing gained.

They would be well advised not to apply to L'Oréal.

AJL308

6,390 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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kev1974 said:
Not sure why people that just read the news out a couple of days a week are getting half-million plus. Sure they could get plenty of people just as good at reading it out for £30k. And quite surprised that Claudia Winkleman is their highest paid woman, she's useless. Could also be replaced by, well almost anyone.
I know someone who reads the news on local radio stations; she does just as good a job as anyone on the national BBC stations and is also very easy on the eye. The BBC doesn't need to pay someone £700K+ to do essentially the exact same job.

AJL308

6,390 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Nothingtoseehere said:
La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.
What a load of tosh.
If it produces such superb content let it stand on its own two feet by subscription.
Just because you find it amazing doesn't mean everybody else does,we're not all in awe of its great 'creativity'.
And, besides, how wonderful the BBC is is rather irrelevant in the context of people getting £700k+ as a journalist (and news readers aren't really that they just read from a script 99% of the time) or over a million to commentate and front sports programs.

AJL308

6,390 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Randy Winkman said:
How much do such people get on other channels?
Irrelevant - they are working for the BBC not "other" channels.

turbobloke

104,074 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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La Liga said:
It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC.
It's misleading to (try to) reduce this to a matter of liking or not liking. It's not emotional it's rational.

The BBC has been pushing out left-liberal propaganda for many years in contravention of its duty to be impartial, its management is too often arrogant and incompetent, and the idea that people should have to perform administrative acrobatics to avoid funding something they may well prefer not to watch simply so they can watch other live broadcasts on devices capable of receiving them is little short of extortion.

Liking or otherwise has nothing to do with it. Liking an organisation means what anyway? I know two retired senior BBC staffers and they're both OK. They provide good company and have interesting tales to tell. Both have the freedom now to take a rational position that won't impact on their work / career / pension / peer reaction and they appreciate the same shortcomings (to put it mildly) as many others do.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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AJL308 said:
Randy Winkman said:
How much do such people get on other channels?
Irrelevant - they are working for the BBC not "other" channels.
It's not irrelevant. If they're paid more than the market rate, we are paying more than the market rate and we are compelled to do do. This is wrong.