BBC licence fee poll.

[chrispmartha]

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Cotty said:

chrispmartha said:

turbobloke said:

Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.

Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?

Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.

Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license

Bonus? Being forced to pay under threat of law a media broadcaster, use them or not, if you have the cheek to watch a live broadcast from another media company?

It's totally absurd. I've not had a TV license for around 18 months , quite simply because I found myself watching little or nothing on live channels, a couple of hours a week, if that. From memory , I think Robot Wars was the last thing I watched on the BBC . The penny dropped that everything that I was watching and worth watching, was streamed online. Thats how its stayed.

Fact is though, if I became aware of the odd programme airing on any channel , I'd not be able to watch it under threat of sanction, that, is fking ridiculous. The "license" should be scrapped and a form of PPV or subscription model introduced, freedom of choice, and no more endless letters , threatening a "case" being opened , and indeed, visits from goons who want to enter your home.

Time the BBC was funded by modern options,choices, etc, not outmoded authoritarian enforcement.

And if the license was scrapped,bbc gone and you had to pay a broadcast tax, would you be OK with that?

For national radio stations (not local) possibly, because on the scale of things its peanuts, therefore only a small/tiny tax burden. Broadcast TV? No. The BBC needs to be forced to stand on its own feet and justify its existence , a freeload on the back of the taxpayer would only make it worse. . That goes for any broadcaster ,they are not an essential service. .

There is little doubt that under PPV or subs, there would be some BBC content I'd watch and be prepared to pay for, but from past experience, very sparse, and most definitely not worth £145 per annum.

You are missing my point, many other countries pay a broadcast tax and in some cases it is higher than ours yet they don't get a service comparable to the BBC, if the BBC became sslf funding yet you still had to pay the £145 per year would you be happy?

What other countries do is irrelevant to me , all they have done, after all, is followed the BBC funding model, the BBC were the first kids on the block, after all.

As already said, I don't watch live TV because I watched very, very litlle of it. So as for £145 per annum, for something I rarely/don't watch , nope, not at all.Utter waste of money. No different to buying £145 of food a year you know you'll not eat,just a waste.

So what are you moaning about?

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If the BBC License Fee Poll is scrapped, it will be replaced by something else...

[Hosenbugler]

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Hosenbugler said:

chrispmartha said:

Cotty said:

chrispmartha said:

turbobloke said:

Don't watch should mean don't pay. Simple as.

Not really how it works unfortunately for you, not even at Sky, theres many things on there I don't watch but still pay for.

Do you have a tv license?

Not everybody watches, so not everyone needs a TV licence.

Correct, if you don't watch live TV you don't need a TV license.

But if you do watch live tv you do need a license, just like many other countries in the world, the bonus for us in the UK is we actually get a world renowned and respected state broadcaster in return, unlike the other countries with a broadcast license

Bonus? Being forced to pay under threat of law a media broadcaster, use them or not, if you have the cheek to watch a live broadcast from another media company?

It's totally absurd. I've not had a TV license for around 18 months , quite simply because I found myself watching little or nothing on live channels, a couple of hours a week, if that. From memory , I think Robot Wars was the last thing I watched on the BBC . The penny dropped that everything that I was watching and worth watching, was streamed online. Thats how its stayed.

Fact is though, if I became aware of the odd programme airing on any channel , I'd not be able to watch it under threat of sanction, that, is fking ridiculous. The "license" should be scrapped and a form of PPV or subscription model introduced, freedom of choice, and no more endless letters , threatening a "case" being opened , and indeed, visits from goons who want to enter your home.

Time the BBC was funded by modern options,choices, etc, not outmoded authoritarian enforcement.

And if the license was scrapped,bbc gone and you had to pay a broadcast tax, would you be OK with that?

For national radio stations (not local) possibly, because on the scale of things its peanuts, therefore only a small/tiny tax burden. Broadcast TV? No. The BBC needs to be forced to stand on its own feet and justify its existence , a freeload on the back of the taxpayer would only make it worse. . That goes for any broadcaster ,they are not an essential service. .

There is little doubt that under PPV or subs, there would be some BBC content I'd watch and be prepared to pay for, but from past experience, very sparse, and most definitely not worth £145 per annum.

You are missing my point, many other countries pay a broadcast tax and in some cases it is higher than ours yet they don't get a service comparable to the BBC, if the BBC became sslf funding yet you still had to pay the £145 per year would you be happy?

What other countries do is irrelevant to me , all they have done, after all, is followed the BBC funding model, the BBC were the first kids on the block, after all.

As already said, I don't watch live TV because I watched very, very litlle of it. So as for £145 per annum, for something I rarely/don't watch , nope, not at all.Utter waste of money. No different to buying £145 of food a year you know you'll not eat,just a waste.

So what are you moaning about?

Because the entire thing is absurd and restricts freedom of choice.

Whilst as said I historically watched very little live Tv, and no longer watch any. However , should a programme be broadcast on a free to air channel ,say ITV?( funded by advertising), that I might want to watch (impossible to say there will not be the odd one) , I cannot do so without paying the BBC £145 to do so. Ridiculous.

Edited by Hosenbugler on Tuesday 25th July 11:41

[Cotty]

TTwiggy said:

You pay the fee to receive live broadcasts. If you don't want to watch live TV, don't pay it. Not that complicated, is it?

But why should we have to pay a fee to watch a live broadcast, regardless of who its shown by?

If they watch sky why should they pay a third party to be able to watch it. Its like charging you to breath the air.

[TTwiggy]

Cotty said:

But why should we have to pay a fee to watch a live broadcast, regardless of who its shown by?

If they watch sky why should they pay a third party to be able to watch it. Its like charging you to breath the air.

If you have equipment in your home capable of receiving live broadcast signals then you need a licence for it.

Just as I needed a licence for the VHF radio on my boat.

[Dindoit]

Cotty said:

But why should we have to pay a fee to watch a live broadcast, regardless of who its shown by?

If they watch sky why should they pay a third party to be able to watch it. Its like charging you to breath the air.

That's exactly what it's like.

[Hosenbugler]

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[Dindoit]

I love Murdoch's minions raving about how reasonable Sky is. They make you pay to watch adverts. They are literally laughing in your faces.

But yeah, it's BBC that are the bad guys.

[Nothingtoseehere]

Dindoit said:

I love Murdoch's minions raving about how reasonable Sky is. They make you pay to watch adverts. They are literally laughing in your faces.

But yeah, it's BBC that are the bad guys.

They don't MAKE you pay.
I don't have to pay for the whole package to get Discovery for example.

[TTwiggy]

Dindoit said:

I love Murdoch's minions raving about how reasonable Sky is. They make you pay to watch adverts. They are literally laughing in your faces.

But yeah, it's BBC that are the bad guys.

I'm also loving the little advert above for their new sports pricing. So generous. Yes, you can watch the Premier League for £18 a month. Great! What's that? You want the league cup and all the other football too? That's £36 then. Ah, you'd like to watch cricket? And the golf? And you like rugby too... Oh dear.

[chrispmartha]

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[chow pan toon]

Nothingtoseehere said:

They don't MAKE you pay.
I don't have to pay for the whole package to get Discovery for example.

It doesn't come in the "basic" Sky package though as far as I know. So you're looking at £384 per year for Discovery. I bet there's an awful lot that you're paying for that you'll never watch in that bundle.

[Nothingtoseehere]

TTwiggy said:

I'm also loving the little advert above for their new sports pricing. So generous. Yes, you can watch the Premier League for £18 a month. Great! What's that? You want the league cup and all the other football too? That's £36 then. Ah, you'd like to watch cricket? And the golf? And you like rugby too... Oh dear.

Makes no difference if it was a thousand quid,the choice is there to pay it.

[chrispmartha]

Nothingtoseehere said:

TTwiggy said:

I'm also loving the little advert above for their new sports pricing. So generous. Yes, you can watch the Premier League for £18 a month. Great! What's that? You want the league cup and all the other football too? That's £36 then. Ah, you'd like to watch cricket? And the golf? And you like rugby too... Oh dear.

Makes no difference if it was a thousand quid,the choice is there to pay it.

And the choice is there not to pay the TV License

[TTwiggy]

Nothingtoseehere said:

Makes no difference if it was a thousand quid,the choice is there to pay it.

Except of course, that your subscription to watch Discovery is also paying for Premier League football - which you don't get to see.

[Dindoit]

Nothingtoseehere said:

Dindoit said:

I love Murdoch's minions raving about how reasonable Sky is. They make you pay to watch adverts. They are literally laughing in your faces.

But yeah, it's BBC that are the bad guys.

They don't MAKE you pay.
I don't have to pay for the whole package to get Discovery for example.

You don't pay Sky any money? No monthly subscription?

[Nothingtoseehere]

chrispmartha said:

Nothingtoseehere said:

TTwiggy said:

I'm also loving the little advert above for their new sports pricing. So generous. Yes, you can watch the Premier League for £18 a month. Great! What's that? You want the league cup and all the other football too? That's £36 then. Ah, you'd like to watch cricket? And the golf? And you like rugby too... Oh dear.

Makes no difference if it was a thousand quid,the choice is there to pay it.

And the choice is there not to pay the TV License

Not if I just want to watch sky sports it isn't.

[Nothingtoseehere]

Dindoit said:

You don't pay Sky any money? No monthly subscription?

I pay sky absolutely nothing.

[chrispmartha]

Nothingtoseehere said:

chrispmartha said:

Nothingtoseehere said:

TTwiggy said:

I'm also loving the little advert above for their new sports pricing. So generous. Yes, you can watch the Premier League for £18 a month. Great! What's that? You want the league cup and all the other football too? That's £36 then. Ah, you'd like to watch cricket? And the golf? And you like rugby too... Oh dear.

Makes no difference if it was a thousand quid,the choice is there to pay it.

And the choice is there not to pay the TV License

Not if I just want to watch sky sports it isn't.

Well if you want to watch sky sports you need a TV License, that's just the way it is.


You know around 6p in every pound of your compulsory Council Tax goes to the Arts and recreation, whether you use them or not? Surely that should be getting you frothy mouthed as well?

[Dindoit]

Nothingtoseehere said:

Dindoit said:

You don't pay Sky any money? No monthly subscription?

I pay sky absolutely nothing.

Please could you elaborate? How are you able to watch Discovery channel (£32/mth subscription for everyone else) whilst paying Sky absolutely nothing?