Why is Cannabis still illegal?
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it was the 13 shops that gave it away
Davos123 said:
This is demonstrably untrue. You only have to look at Canada or US states to see that a legal market can destroy an illegal one and be much cheaper, too. A black market will only survive at any meaningful size if the government overregulate
As I understand it, in states with legalised recreational use in the US many smokers/vapers are still getting their supplies from the unofficial dealers that they used before legalisation. No ID checks, no tax, etc.Digga said:
I know quite a few people who have/do use the stuff and the majority are, to varying degrees, f
k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.
By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Completely agree. Should be legal but everyone I know who smokes regularly, despite holding down professional careers, are flakey and forgetful. Correlation is not causation and all that but IME there's definitely a correlation...k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
toon10 said:
I've not read the whole thread so it may have been covered already but one of the issues over legalising it for me is the amount of time it stays in your system and can be detected, irrespective of whether the user is impaired or not. At present I can go out on a Saturday night, have a good skinful of alcohol and still drive into work on a Monday morning and operate heavy machinery. If I'm tested by the law or my employer, I'm clear. With weed, they can detect it for weeks so you could have a couple of draws and then a week later it will still show up.
Would the law still push for driving under the influence if they pulled you even if you had a smoke a week before and were perfectly fine? (I'm asking rather than telling as I'm no expert in such matters but just thinking out loud.)
The crazy thing is that you could go on holiday to Nevada or Colorado etc, have an enjoyable time, break no laws, come back and go to work... and be fired for breaking a law that didn't apply to the country you were in. Might as well get a driving ban here for driving on the right-hand-side when in France.Would the law still push for driving under the influence if they pulled you even if you had a smoke a week before and were perfectly fine? (I'm asking rather than telling as I'm no expert in such matters but just thinking out loud.)
fblm said:
Digga said:
I know quite a few people who have/do use the stuff and the majority are, to varying degrees, fk ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.
By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Completely agree. Should be legal but everyone I know who smokes regularly, despite holding down professional careers, are flakey and forgetful. Correlation is not causation and all that but IME there's definitely a correlation...k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Perhaps there are loads of people you know with all their s
t together that also enjoy an occasional smoke, they just don't tell you about it.Davos123 said:
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Perhaps there are loads of people you know with all their st together that also enjoy an occasional smoke, they just don't tell you about it.
Perhaps there are loads of people you know with all their s
t together that also enjoy an occasional smoke, they just don't tell you about it.
I worked side by side with a guy for 2 years, as I always keep personal and work seperate only knew we both liked a smoke after I left
e30m3Mark said:
thanks for the link, very informative. as someone that would happily see the un disbanded tomorrow it does nothing to dissuade me of that notion. lots of good intentions but in reality a paper exercise,mexico,columbia and afghanistan being a few examples of how futile meaningful words on a bit of paper are.Davos123 said:
fblm said:
Obviously. Like I said; in my experience.
My point is your experience isn't worth anything. You can't possibly know the drug taking habits of all the people you know and you're far more likely to know about the ones that's lives are impacted by it.fblm said:
Digga said:
I know quite a few people who have/do use the stuff and the majority are, to varying degrees, fk ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.
By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Completely agree. Should be legal but everyone I know who smokes regularly, despite holding down professional careers, are flakey and forgetful. Correlation is not causation and all that but IME there's definitely a correlation...k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Halb said:
Because the Lesser Hitchens wants it that way!
As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
that is another option i don't hear being used much here. i know people make space cakes etc but looking at the states you can buy boiled sweets, chocolate etc that all contain cannabis ,surely a healthier option than smoking the stuff.As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
wc98 said:
Halb said:
Because the Lesser Hitchens wants it that way!
As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
that is another option i don't hear being used much here. i know people make space cakes etc but looking at the states you can buy boiled sweets, chocolate etc that all contain cannabis ,surely a healthier option than smoking the stuff.As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
wc98 said:
Halb said:
Because the Lesser Hitchens wants it that way!
As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
that is another option i don't hear being used much here. i know people make space cakes etc but looking at the states you can buy boiled sweets, chocolate etc that all contain cannabis ,surely a healthier option than smoking the stuff.As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
IN California, no idea why anybody would bother with illegal sorts, since the weed shops (for want of a better term) are ubiquitous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Colorado
Davos123 said:
fblm said:
Digga said:
I know quite a few people who have/do use the stuff and the majority are, to varying degrees, fk ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.
By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Completely agree. Should be legal but everyone I know who smokes regularly, despite holding down professional careers, are flakey and forgetful. Correlation is not causation and all that but IME there's definitely a correlation...k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Perhaps there are loads of people you know with all their s
t together that also enjoy an occasional smoke, they just don't tell you about it.zubzob said:
StottyGTR said:
In my experience it makes me more forgetful and dopey. The same goes for almost everyone I know who smoke it but not all.
Is 'almost' everyone you know who drinks also forgetful?"Alcohol consumption has substantial, measurable effects on working memory, although these effects vary greatly between individual responses."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_alcohol_o...
zubzob said:
s 'almost' everyone you know who drinks also forgetful?
Alcohol consumption has substantial, measurable effects on working memory, although these effects vary greatly between individual responses."
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_alcohol_on_memory
quiteAlcohol consumption has substantial, measurable effects on working memory, although these effects vary greatly between individual responses."
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_alcohol_on_memory
it's a line that can be given to most psychoactive substances (alcohol et al).
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