Why is Cannabis still illegal?
Discussion
Davos123 said:
fblm said:
Digga said:
I know quite a few people who have/do use the stuff and the majority are, to varying degrees, f
k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.
By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Completely agree. Should be legal but everyone I know who smokes regularly, despite holding down professional careers, are flakey and forgetful. Correlation is not causation and all that but IME there's definitely a correlation...k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Perhaps there are loads of people you know with all their s
t together that also enjoy an occasional smoke, they just don't tell you about it.I've not seen any negative effects on either of then, and I say they as someone who is generally anti drugs.
Alcohol is addictive, it causes violence, domestic abuse, road deaths, etc
Cannabis, far less addictive than alcohol, tends incredibly rarely to lead to any kind of violence, abuse or deaths
As William Hague has said, the current laws have simply become untenable
It's only been a matter of time for some years and now there is traction in the UK, I'd be amazed if it takes long to become legal now
At least we can then educate about the different strengths, THC v CBDs, safe usage, etc.
Cannabis, far less addictive than alcohol, tends incredibly rarely to lead to any kind of violence, abuse or deaths
As William Hague has said, the current laws have simply become untenable
It's only been a matter of time for some years and now there is traction in the UK, I'd be amazed if it takes long to become legal now
At least we can then educate about the different strengths, THC v CBDs, safe usage, etc.
Was listening to a debate no this last night and I think common sense will hopefully prevail, there is much science and anecdotal evidence that the right strains of cannabis components are perfectly fine and do a lot of good with several health issues.
Surely a right thinking government can overcome something so obviously beneficial to thousands of people
Surely a right thinking government can overcome something so obviously beneficial to thousands of people
jonby said:
Alcohol is addictive, it causes violence, domestic abuse, road deaths, etc
Cannabis, far less addictive than alcohol, tends incredibly rarely to lead to any kind of violence, abuse or deaths
As William Hague has said, the current laws have simply become untenable
It's only been a matter of time for some years and now there is traction in the UK, I'd be amazed if it takes long to become legal now
At least we can then educate about the different strengths, THC v CBDs, safe usage, etc.
A bit in The Times today about the Police Federation, the association of ranks below superintendent, asking for cannabis to be legalised. The reason given is that it is not being prosecuted, so legalisation by stealth, which is not an effective method of law making. From a chat I listed to by a senior officer in my local force, even if staffing levels were raised to the old levels, the emphasis for policing would not be on minor drug possession. Cannabis, far less addictive than alcohol, tends incredibly rarely to lead to any kind of violence, abuse or deaths
As William Hague has said, the current laws have simply become untenable
It's only been a matter of time for some years and now there is traction in the UK, I'd be amazed if it takes long to become legal now
At least we can then educate about the different strengths, THC v CBDs, safe usage, etc.
Derek Smith said:
A bit in The Times today about the Police Federation, the association of ranks below superintendent, asking for cannabis to be legalised. The reason given is that it is not being prosecuted, so legalisation by stealth, which is not an effective method of law making. From a chat I listed to by a senior officer in my local force, even if staffing levels were raised to the old levels, the emphasis for policing would not be on minor drug possession.
I know of 2 'Groups' who are growing in full knowledge of the Police, have proven its for their personal use as a group and not sale and are working in conjuction with the PoliceEven my missus who is notoriously fussy about the law has said I may as well grow a couple of plants as the Police just aren't arsed anymore
Derek Smith said:
jonby said:
Alcohol is addictive, it causes violence, domestic abuse, road deaths, etc
Cannabis, far less addictive than alcohol, tends incredibly rarely to lead to any kind of violence, abuse or deaths
As William Hague has said, the current laws have simply become untenable
It's only been a matter of time for some years and now there is traction in the UK, I'd be amazed if it takes long to become legal now
At least we can then educate about the different strengths, THC v CBDs, safe usage, etc.
A bit in The Times today about the Police Federation, the association of ranks below superintendent, asking for cannabis to be legalised. The reason given is that it is not being prosecuted, so legalisation by stealth, which is not an effective method of law making. From a chat I listed to by a senior officer in my local force, even if staffing levels were raised to the old levels, the emphasis for policing would not be on minor drug possession. Cannabis, far less addictive than alcohol, tends incredibly rarely to lead to any kind of violence, abuse or deaths
As William Hague has said, the current laws have simply become untenable
It's only been a matter of time for some years and now there is traction in the UK, I'd be amazed if it takes long to become legal now
At least we can then educate about the different strengths, THC v CBDs, safe usage, etc.
Meanwhile if it's legalised, it can be regulated and of course, there can then be proper guidelines on permissable quantities - right now people guess/assume - it's a totally daft state of affairs
Plenty of older smokers who remember the pre-skunk days who would like a less strong strain and if it goes like the states in the USA where it's legal, the shops are incredible when it comes to choice, advice, labelling, etc. Add in the tax revenue and it becomes a complete no brainer - although it's a medical case, it did just take the right tug-on-the-heartstrings story to get the uptake in traction that this recent unfortunate case in the press has created
Halb said:
wc98 said:
Halb said:
Because the Lesser Hitchens wants it that way!
As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
that is another option i don't hear being used much here. i know people make space cakes etc but looking at the states you can buy boiled sweets, chocolate etc that all contain cannabis ,surely a healthier option than smoking the stuff.As an aside, I had some imported medicinal chocolate from California this week...wowsers. I'll stick to revels for regular consumption
IN California, no idea why anybody would bother with illegal sorts, since the weed shops (for want of a better term) are ubiquitous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Colorado
anonymous said:
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Indeed there was a fascinating documentary a year or two ago on the campaign/push to make it legal in Colarado - a very clever super glossy, super slick TV advert put forward by the pro side focussed on a state of the art new school, with digital renderings, then explained right at the end of the advert how the tax revenue from marijuana sales (if made legal) would pay for it. ELUSIVEJIM said:
I'm sure other countries / states will be watching how this works out for Canada.I personally think most governments are minded to legalise, but they need evidence and popular support on their side.
As soon as that changes, it almost becomes irresistible for political parties for potential votes and 'progressive' narrative it lends them.
designforlife said:
I honestly don't think the UK is liberal enough yet to legalise.
It will happen, but not for another 5-10 years.
Shame as our NHS and public services could really use the £££
Decriminalisation is the first step, and as already stated we're effectively already there - it just needs clarifying and formalising. It will happen, but not for another 5-10 years.
Shame as our NHS and public services could really use the £££
Legalisation can then occur at a slower pace - although it's the legalisation that provides the real benefits for the government.
e30m3Mark said:
Totally agree it should be available for medicinal use, although I imagine that any system will be abused.
As for legal recreational use, I'm not sure it's a good idea.
I'm completely in favor of people doing what they want as long as it doesn't adversely affect other people so I have no objection, per-se, to cannabis being legalised. As for legal recreational use, I'm not sure it's a good idea.
However, I sincerely hope that it isn't. Why? Because it absolutely f
king stinks! The smell is literally beyond horrible and I have no clue how anyone actually puts up with it. I seem to smell it everywhere of late and if it were legal it would be so much worse. Digga said:
I know quite a few people who have/do use the stuff and the majority are, to varying degrees, fk ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.
By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
I have to agree. Of the people I know who use it any more regularly than very occasionally they generally tend to be losers and wasters. Usually state spongers in the bargain.k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
e30m3Mark said:
''Onno Hoes, the city’s mayor, said that more than 1 million foreign tourists visiting the city’s 13 licensed coffee shops every year has created “an unacceptable nuisance,” and brought filth and crime to the city.''
There is also an increase in illegal street dealing.
I worked in drugs and alcohol for several years and have seen the impact cannabis use can have. Yes, there will be some who use it recreationally and for whom it isn't a problem. Unfortunately, for many it is simply one of many drugs they use and often the first.
I don't believe legalisation (or most likely decriminalisation as in Holland) will mean a lucrative black market will no longer exist. There is a serious amount of money to be made from cannabis and there will be plenty of criminals looking to make their share.
Mind you, I am pretty sure the UN has forbidden any attempts to decriminalise drug use for recreation.
This is true which is why it aint happening here any time soon. It's politicians being mendacious and trying to stir up a story that's never going to come to fruition - probably in order to avert attention from something else.There is also an increase in illegal street dealing.
I worked in drugs and alcohol for several years and have seen the impact cannabis use can have. Yes, there will be some who use it recreationally and for whom it isn't a problem. Unfortunately, for many it is simply one of many drugs they use and often the first.
I don't believe legalisation (or most likely decriminalisation as in Holland) will mean a lucrative black market will no longer exist. There is a serious amount of money to be made from cannabis and there will be plenty of criminals looking to make their share.
Mind you, I am pretty sure the UN has forbidden any attempts to decriminalise drug use for recreation.
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