5p charge for plastic bags from October 2015 to cut usage
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Randy Winkman said:
grumbledoak said:
Randy Winkman said:
Cheers. I'd suggest therefore that there would be an environmental benefit if global consumption of meat went down. I'm not sure how we can eat the same amount without negative consequences.
You do accept that people would have to eat something else instead? What do you think that would be?
How do you think it would be better?
Gareth79 said:
MikeyC said:
Maybe a bit O/T, but...
What if a car manufacturer designed a shopping trolley that slotted into the car boot somehow ?
Could be made of hard durable plastic & the wheels would obviously have to fold away somehow, but it's hardly rocket science!
You could just drive up, take trolley out (locking wheels etc), go around shop, and then take it all back to the car
Not all cars would be suitable, but it would be a start
I'm sure this can't be an original idea !
How about just drive-thru (and around) supermarkets? What if a car manufacturer designed a shopping trolley that slotted into the car boot somehow ?
Could be made of hard durable plastic & the wheels would obviously have to fold away somehow, but it's hardly rocket science!
You could just drive up, take trolley out (locking wheels etc), go around shop, and then take it all back to the car
Not all cars would be suitable, but it would be a start
I'm sure this can't be an original idea !
It really isnt rocket science, why do some keep buying plastic bags.
Randy Winkman said:
OK - I will at least try to answer your question. A varied diet with lots of locally sourced fruit, veg and grain plus some fish and locally sourced meat. Definitely not cattle reared as per that BBC programme that showed the intensive US methods.
We are coming up on 8 billion people, an amount of intensive is inevitable. The U.K. hasn’t been self sufficient since the 1800’s, so local for most of us is out.Vipers said:
It really isnt rocket science, why do some keep buying plastic bags.
Agreed, it's probably because they throw em away ?Unfortunately, this is the sort of stuff I occasionally see:
Note this bin is for refuse only ! (no cardboard, paper, food, or recyclable plastics etc)
Not trying to turn this thread into a collection of horror pictures !
Liokault said:
Randy Winkman said:
OK - I will at least try to answer your question. A varied diet with lots of locally sourced fruit, veg and grain plus some fish and locally sourced meat. Definitely not cattle reared as per that BBC programme that showed the intensive US methods.
We are coming up on 8 billion people, an amount of intensive is inevitable. The U.K. hasn’t been self sufficient since the 1800’s, so local for most of us is out.Vipers said:
I have had three plastic shopping boxes purchaded from Sainsburys in the boot for about twenty years, and two plastic bags guranteed for life rolled up, rubber band around them, and they live in my jacket pocket.
It really isnt rocket science, why do some keep buying plastic bags.
Because its easier than buying refuse sacks for recycling. It really isnt rocket science, why do some keep buying plastic bags.
Randy Winkman said:
OK - I will at least try to answer your question. A varied diet with lots of locally sourced fruit, veg and grain plus some fish and locally sourced meat. Definitely not cattle reared as per that BBC programme that showed the intensive US methods.
I agree. We should be eating locally sourced natural foods. It would be better for our health and for our environment.We would have proper season menus - rhubarb and asparagus, then berries in summer, nuts and apples in Autumn, whatever keeps over the winter then it all starts again. It would create food variety and connect us with the land. Of course, as a rugged little rock, most of our land in unsuitable even for growing grain. What we have, year round, is fish and animal products.
And, no I didn't see the BBC show, but I already said I don't want feedlots. We shouldn't be feeding grain to cattle. It isn't good for them. It's only done in the US because US government subsidies create a mountain of unwanted grain.
Carrier bags now?
The meat problem will be solved by lab grown meat. The likes of Bill Gates recognise the current model for meat production is unsustainable but they also recognise that you'll never turn the whole world vegetarian so they are putting huge sums into developing what is being marketed as 'Truemeat'.
Lab grown from a few cells and indistinguishable from the real thing because as the name implies, it is the real thing. it will be the norm within a decade.
I don't know if anyone has considered the effects on farming and countryside if we no longer have a need to graze huge herds of animals. That'll certainly be interesting, there will probably be a few farmers raising beef the traditional way for the real purists but a regular Sunday joint produced this way will likely rival Kobe beef in price.
Lab grown from a few cells and indistinguishable from the real thing because as the name implies, it is the real thing. it will be the norm within a decade.
I don't know if anyone has considered the effects on farming and countryside if we no longer have a need to graze huge herds of animals. That'll certainly be interesting, there will probably be a few farmers raising beef the traditional way for the real purists but a regular Sunday joint produced this way will likely rival Kobe beef in price.
jurbie said:
I don't know if anyone has considered the effects on farming and countryside if we no longer have a need to graze huge herds of animals. That'll certainly be interesting, there will probably be a few farmers raising beef the traditional way for the real purists but a regular Sunday joint produced this way will likely rival Kobe beef in price.
Yes, it will be bulldozed for housing for a vastly bigger population. Eating tumours at Kobe beef prices.
grumbledoak said:
Randy Winkman said:
OK - I will at least try to answer your question. A varied diet with lots of locally sourced fruit, veg and grain plus some fish and locally sourced meat. Definitely not cattle reared as per that BBC programme that showed the intensive US methods.
I agree. We should be eating locally sourced natural foods. It would be better for our health and for our environment.We would have proper season menus - rhubarb and asparagus, then berries in summer, nuts and apples in Autumn, whatever keeps over the winter then it all starts again. It would create food variety and connect us with the land. Of course, as a rugged little rock, most of our land in unsuitable even for growing grain. What we have, year round, is fish and animal products.
And, no I didn't see the BBC show, but I already said I don't want feedlots. We shouldn't be feeding grain to cattle. It isn't good for them. It's only done in the US because US government subsidies create a mountain of unwanted grain.
Carrier bags now?
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