Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

[s2art]

Part of the problem with lefties is that they are convinced they are morally right. Lewis said:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

[Dr Jekyll]

2xChevrons said:

I'm amazed you think Tony Blair is someone 'the left' would ever consider going into bat for. I'm pretty sure he is the only person who could unify most of 'the left' and most of 'the right' in their equal loathing of the man and his work. Bad example.

They used to be just as hostile to Harold Wilson, the labour left can't forgive anyone who wins elections.

[Countdown]

s2art said:

Part of the problem with lefties is that they are convinced they are morally right.

Do Righties think that what they are doing is "immoral"?

[anonymous-user]

s2art said:

Part of the problem with lefties is that they are convinced they are morally right. Lewis said:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

Isn’t the problem actually that you’re categorising large groups of people with similar characteristics, so you can glibly label them as “the left” as though they’re a Borg like collective.

There’s all kinds of people who are right or left leaning in their politics who are all very different and have different motivations and characteristics even though they might vote the same way.

[s2art]

El stovey said:

s2art said:

Part of the problem with lefties is that they are convinced they are morally right. Lewis said:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

Isn’t the problem actually that you’re categorising large groups of people with similar characteristics, so you can glibly label them as “the left” as though they’re a Borg like collective.

There’s all kinds of people who are right or left leaning in their politics who are all very different and have different motivations and characteristics even though they might vote the same way.

I think you see it more on the left. Righties tend to be more pragmatic.

[R Mutt]

s2art said:

Part of the problem with lefties is that they are convinced they are morally right. Lewis said:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

Especially valid in the perpetual state of hatred against the rich, as the narrative is that they have taken from the poor.

Of course the rich may be intolerant to the feckless but if one simply hasn't earnt money, than that is the more direct consequence of poverty, as opposed to the oppression and theft the left make it out to be.

[anonymous-user]

R Mutt said:

Especially valid in the perpetual state of hatred against the rich, as the narrative is that they have taken from the poor.

Of course the rich may be intolerant to the feckless but if one simply hasn't earnt money, than that is the more direct consequence of poverty, as opposed to the oppression and theft the left make it out to be.

We see the same when dissatisfaction leads to blaming other groups like foreigners or the EU etc

Blaming the rich or the EU, or the right/left (or any other group) for your unhappiness is simply reactive thinking and a victim mindset and not taking responsibility for your own situation.

[Electro1980]

Gecko1978 said:

Countdown said:

98elise said:

I disagree. I would be to the right of center and I would never excuse far right extremists. I honestly don't know anyone that would.

Far left views on the other hand can get you a Labour front bench position.

Ok - could you give me examples of who you consider to be

(a) A far right extremist
(b) Their equivalent on the Labour front benches

The way i read it you're considering the above two as equivalent so I'm curious as to which labour frontbencher you consider the equivalent of the EDL or Combat 18

EDL are I assume the sort to say if you are X we are coming for you. The former labour front bench said we are putting the rich on notice we are coming for you. The RIch it turned out were those on 80k a year.

So while I don't think labour front bench have supported concentration camps I dount the EDL have said that either but they have probably indicated Muslims are not welcome just like labour made those on higher incomes not welcome.

Do you genuinely think racism is equivalent to proposing tax increases?

[98elise]

Countdown said:

98elise said:

I disagree. I would be to the right of center and I would never excuse far right extremists. I honestly don't know anyone that would.

Far left views on the other hand can get you a Labour front bench position.

Ok - could you give me examples of who you consider to be

(a) A far right extremist
(b) Their equivalent on the Labour front benches

The way i read it you're considering the above two as equivalent so I'm curious as to which labour frontbencher you consider the equivalent of the EDL or Combat 18

(a) Someone on the right that would use or advocate violence as a means to achieve their political aims.
(b) John McDonnell

[Countdown]

98elise said:

Countdown said:

98elise said:

I disagree. I would be to the right of center and I would never excuse far right extremists. I honestly don't know anyone that would.

Far left views on the other hand can get you a Labour front bench position.

Ok - could you give me examples of who you consider to be

(a) A far right extremist
(b) Their equivalent on the Labour front benches

The way i read it you're considering the above two as equivalent so I'm curious as to which labour frontbencher you consider the equivalent of the EDL or Combat 18

(a) Someone on the right that would use or advocate violence as a means to achieve their political aims.
(b) John McDonnell

Yes I see what you mean.

Exactly the same.

[AW111]

This thread is comedy gold.

The majority of posters here appear to be "right wingers" all joining in to abuse the left and accuse them of intolerance.

But it clearly makes you feel all warm and superior inside, and it provides me with entertainment, so keep it up.

[Castrol for a knave]

AW111 said:

This thread is comedy gold.

The majority of posters here appear to be "right wingers" all joining in to abuse the left and accuse them of intolerance.

But it clearly makes you feel all warm and superior inside, and it provides me with entertainment, so keep it up.

Anyone who smells vaguely of "social democrat" on here is labelled a lefty. It's the PH bogeyman, that and Naga Munchetty.

[Randy Winkman]

Castrol for a knave said:

AW111 said:

This thread is comedy gold.

The majority of posters here appear to be "right wingers" all joining in to abuse the left and accuse them of intolerance.

But it clearly makes you feel all warm and superior inside, and it provides me with entertainment, so keep it up.

Anyone who smells vaguely of "social democrat" on here is labelled a lefty. It's the PH bogeyman, that and Naga Munchetty.

PH is pretty right wing (in my opinion) but is far from tolerant. NPE pretty much revolves around right-wingers moaning about things.

[amusingduck]

Randy Winkman said:

PH is pretty right wing (in my opinion) but is far from tolerant. NPE pretty much revolves around right-wingers moaning about things.

Moaning isn't intolerant!

[Vanden Saab]

Castrol for a knave said:

AW111 said:

This thread is comedy gold.

The majority of posters here appear to be "right wingers" all joining in to abuse the left and accuse them of intolerance.

But it clearly makes you feel all warm and superior inside, and it provides me with entertainment, so keep it up.

Anyone who smells vaguely of "social democrat" on here is labelled a lefty. It's the PH bogeyman, that and Naga Munchetty.

At least you accept that social democrats smell, We just call them crusties

[otolith]

Randy Winkman said:

PH is pretty right wing (in my opinion) but is far from tolerant. NPE pretty much revolves around right-wingers moaning about things.

I don't think NPE is representative of anything but itself. It's a cesspit.

[Rivenink]

Can't believe this thread is still rumbling on

Lately, I'm starting to understand that the left are indeed more likely to be intolerant of others views. The further left ones debating partner is, the more likely they are to insist that if you don't completely agree with them, you're completely against them.

But the Right tend to be more intolerant of people. The further right you go, the less tolerant they become of people. Refusing to tolerate people who are different to them, whether that's because they're gay, trans, Black... whatever it is... its not the view point... its something about them as a person or as a group of people.

At least that's how I'm seeing it, from what I consider a rather centre-left position.

[BigMon]

AW111 said:

This thread is comedy gold.

The majority of posters here appear to be "right wingers" all joining in to abuse the left and accuse them of intolerance.

But it clearly makes you feel all warm and superior inside, and it provides me with entertainment, so keep it up.

I think anyone reading this thread or N,P&E generally would concur that the question posted by this thread has been proven incorrect many times over.

[Randy Winkman]

BigMon said:

AW111 said:

This thread is comedy gold.

The majority of posters here appear to be "right wingers" all joining in to abuse the left and accuse them of intolerance.

But it clearly makes you feel all warm and superior inside, and it provides me with entertainment, so keep it up.

I think anyone reading this thread or N,P&E generally would concur that the question posted by this thread has been proven incorrect many times over.

I've tried to prove it with a list of extreme right wing killers but even that didn't work.

[Electro1980]

Rivenink said:

Lately, I'm starting to understand that the left are indeed more likely to be intolerant of others views. The further left ones debating partner is, the more likely they are to insist that if you don't completely agree with them, you're completely against them.

Have you not seen how quick several right wing posters are on here to jump to “shut up remoaner” the second anyone criticise the government?

I also think a lot of the seeming intolerance on the left is socially Liberal people not tolerating bigotry from the right. That always gets turned round to “your a bigot for not letting me be a bigot” which is just stupid.