Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?
Discussion
techiedave said:
Yvette Coopers been in the news complaining about how Laura Kuenssberg is treated as sex doll.
Think that's what she's on about
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labours-yvett...
I haven't digested it all yet but I'm sure its all very debatable and worthy. Thing is I can't help it I think Yvette I get images of Shami Chakrabarti and its a months therapy down the drain.
There's only so much eroticism one can handle talking of handles, love handles. Now DA's in my thoughts
can't disagree with anything YC said there TBH Think that's what she's on about
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labours-yvett...
I haven't digested it all yet but I'm sure its all very debatable and worthy. Thing is I can't help it I think Yvette I get images of Shami Chakrabarti and its a months therapy down the drain.
There's only so much eroticism one can handle talking of handles, love handles. Now DA's in my thoughts
glazbagun said:
I think this is less an example of "the left" being more intolerant and more just an example of so many people being incapable of reasoned argument. The trouble is you can't normally tell which camp someone falls into until you disagree with them.
I noticed this with Brexit. As a remainer I had discussions with leavers which taught me their considered opinions as to why, on balance, we'd be better off out of the EU.
I also met many ranting illogical types who would jump from "the immigrants" to "taking back control" and "sovereignty" without being able to describe what they meant by any of those terms/issues and got upset when I'd push for more detail or the logic behind their thinking.
I've never found the same problems with remainers unless we've been in a group discussion with a leaver and they reveal wether they can debate or just berate.
I guess this is why it's good to hang around with people of different views.
I noticed this with Brexit. As a remainer I had discussions with leavers which taught me their considered opinions as to why, on balance, we'd be better off out of the EU.
I also met many ranting illogical types who would jump from "the immigrants" to "taking back control" and "sovereignty" without being able to describe what they meant by any of those terms/issues and got upset when I'd push for more detail or the logic behind their thinking.
I've never found the same problems with remainers unless we've been in a group discussion with a leaver and they reveal wether they can debate or just berate.
I guess this is why it's good to hang around with people of different views.
Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 25th June 10:44
9xxNick said:
Terrorism: "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
In what way did Umkhonto we Sizwe ("MK") of which Mandela was a founding member, not fit that definition?
Even if you agree with the objective, you can't redefine terrorism to be a label only applicable to those whose aims you disapprove of. That is, of course, unless you are a politician, in which case you have a convenient additional classification for those who you consider to be dissidents rather than terrorists.
Did not Mandela serve time for being a terrorist? The deliberate attack on civilians and purposely aiming for civilians makes you a terrorist. Whether this is morally better than allowing an unjust and unlawful government/dictatorship free reign depends on the situation but as soon as you commit terrorist acts you are a terrorist that is the choice you make. In what way did Umkhonto we Sizwe ("MK") of which Mandela was a founding member, not fit that definition?
Even if you agree with the objective, you can't redefine terrorism to be a label only applicable to those whose aims you disapprove of. That is, of course, unless you are a politician, in which case you have a convenient additional classification for those who you consider to be dissidents rather than terrorists.
A cross-party House of Commons Report into hard Left bullying of Conservative election candidates has revealed how:
- politicians were left in fear of their lives after being subjected to intimidation, including paedophile smears
- a Conservative MP, whose car tyres were slashed outside her family home, reported three serious death threats to police
- one candidate suffered an anti-semitic attack
- several candidates were subjected to intimidation
- hard Left supporters of Mr Corbyn defaced Tory election posters
- racist graffiti about a Conservative candidate was daubed in a polling booth
Apparently some of it was hard Left on Left.
Conservative MP Simon Hart has caledl on Jeremy Corbyn and his hard-Left campaign group Momentum to rein in the intimidation and abuse - fat chance, nasty pos are clearly at home in Corbyn's nasty Party.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4687304/Co...
Article on related debate:
http://news.sky.com/story/mps-to-reveal-general-el...
- politicians were left in fear of their lives after being subjected to intimidation, including paedophile smears
- a Conservative MP, whose car tyres were slashed outside her family home, reported three serious death threats to police
- one candidate suffered an anti-semitic attack
- several candidates were subjected to intimidation
- hard Left supporters of Mr Corbyn defaced Tory election posters
- racist graffiti about a Conservative candidate was daubed in a polling booth
Apparently some of it was hard Left on Left.
Conservative MP Simon Hart has caledl on Jeremy Corbyn and his hard-Left campaign group Momentum to rein in the intimidation and abuse - fat chance, nasty pos are clearly at home in Corbyn's nasty Party.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4687304/Co...
Article on related debate:
http://news.sky.com/story/mps-to-reveal-general-el...
edh said:
the tolerant right...
The post you replied to concerned hard Left abuse of MPs / election candidates.Is Owen Jones a Labour MP / Labour election candidate - and the rest?
Anything other than social media exchanges mostly between flotsam and jetsam?
Diane Abbott got some stick she shouldn't have got, also some that she should.
It happens both ways on social media of course but I'd still put a shilling that there's more from the Left than to the Left.
KrissKross said:
"Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?"
Absolutely when they cannot debate facts and just close down threads on the Internet
Absolutely when they cannot debate facts and just close down threads on the Internet
Swiftly removed and placed undercover when actual evidence is presented. And people wonder why the friction is intensifying day by day. Continually sweeping the problem under the nearest rug and hoping it goes away is not going to work...
turbobloke said:
The post you replied to concerned hard Left abuse of MPs / election candidates.
Is Owen Jones a Labour MP / Labour election candidate - and the rest?
Anything other than social media exchanges mostly between flotsam and jetsam?
Diane Abbott got some stick she shouldn't have got, also some that she should.
It happens both ways on social media of course but I'd still put a shilling that there's more from the Left than to the Left.
How many Tory mp's have been murdered in the last 10 years?Is Owen Jones a Labour MP / Labour election candidate - and the rest?
Anything other than social media exchanges mostly between flotsam and jetsam?
Diane Abbott got some stick she shouldn't have got, also some that she should.
It happens both ways on social media of course but I'd still put a shilling that there's more from the Left than to the Left.
NoIP said:
Swiftly removed and placed undercover when actual evidence is presented. And people wonder why the friction is intensifying day by day. Continually sweeping the problem under the nearest rug and hoping it goes away is not going to work...
TTwiggy said:
NoIP said:
Swiftly removed and placed undercover when actual evidence is presented. And people wonder why the friction is intensifying day by day. Continually sweeping the problem under the nearest rug and hoping it goes away is not going to work...
turbobloke said:
edh said:
the tolerant right...
The post you replied to concerned hard Left abuse of MPs / election candidates.Is Owen Jones a Labour MP / Labour election candidate - and the rest?
Anything other than social media exchanges mostly between flotsam and jetsam?
Diane Abbott got some stick she shouldn't have got, also some that she should.
It happens both ways on social media of course but I'd still put a shilling that there's more from the Left than to the Left.
Would he understand what a shilling is/was?
edh said:
turbobloke said:
The post you replied to concerned hard Left abuse of MPs / election candidates.
Is Owen Jones a Labour MP / Labour election candidate - and the rest?
Anything other than social media exchanges mostly between flotsam and jetsam?
Diane Abbott got some stick she shouldn't have got, also some that she should.
It happens both ways on social media of course but I'd still put a shilling that there's more from the Left than to the Left.
How many Tory mp's have been murdered in the last 10 years?Is Owen Jones a Labour MP / Labour election candidate - and the rest?
Anything other than social media exchanges mostly between flotsam and jetsam?
Diane Abbott got some stick she shouldn't have got, also some that she should.
It happens both ways on social media of course but I'd still put a shilling that there's more from the Left than to the Left.
Charlie Hoskins said:
So shredded rather than 'closed' then ?
Why ? What did I miss ?
The usual. Various bits of damning evidence and facts were presented along with a number of specific questions of which a couple received vague answers and then the usual crybabies started furiously clicking the 'report' button and here we are.Why ? What did I miss ?
Anyway I'm done with the discussion and the mods are not going to appreciate it continuing elsewhere so I'm out, gentlemen.
princealbert23 said:
You know you will lose using that tack. Within living memory Ian Gow, Airey Neave, Anthony Berry were all murdered by people who were idolised by Catweazle, McDonnell and Abbott.
Some people e.g. edh are blinkered by bias.A copy of the HoC report wouldn't help, evidence loses out in such situations.
TTwiggy said:
NoIP said:
Swiftly removed and placed undercover when actual evidence is presented. And people wonder why the friction is intensifying day by day. Continually sweeping the problem under the nearest rug and hoping it goes away is not going to work...
If you can be bothered why don't you enlighten us as to why you think the thread was buried and not simply closed.
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