Girl duped by man who was actually a woman..

Girl duped by man who was actually a woman..

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anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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qube_TA said:
You get men claiming to be raped via a woman, and not those with strap-ons.
The wording is this:

S.1 SOA 2003 said:
1: Rape

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
The word "he" is often gender-neutral in criminal law, but it's not here.

qube_TA said:
So you're saying it's fraud?

She had a voluntary sexual relationship with someone she believed to be male, which turned out not to be, in these days of enlightened GLBT rights having friskies with a woman who turns out to have a Y chromosome isn't going to stack up as an assault.
I think we're using language slightly differently. When I hear the word "fraud", I am thinking criminal fraud as in the fraud act 2006. In the context of sexual offending, she has been deceived regarding the consent.

I think we essentially mean the same thing. She has been deceived, but that's 'merely' the basis for the act to become a crime. Without the act, the 'fraud' / deception doesn't mean anything.

I've quoted Justine McNally v R [2013] EWCA Crim 1051 twice in the thread to show a similar set of circumstances resulted in a conviction.

qube_TA

8,402 posts

246 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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La Liga said:
think we're using language slightly differently. When I hear the word "fraud", I am thinking criminal fraud as in the fraud act 2006. In the context of sexual offending, she has been deceived regarding the consent.

I think we essentially mean the same thing. She has been deceived, but that's 'merely' the basis for the act to become a crime. Without the act, the 'fraud' / deception doesn't mean anything.
Oh well, I hope it's thrown out, silly girl decides she's not really a lesbian and seeks cash.


dudleybloke

19,848 posts

187 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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A very fishy story.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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qube_TA said:
Oh well, I hope it's thrown out, silly girl decides she's not really a lesbian and seeks cash.
Call me crazy, I'd prefer to hear the evidence before making such conclusions wink

Pesty

42,655 posts

257 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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1974nc said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Mate of mine had a press cutting about a similar case stuck on his student bedroom door in c.1992, except in this case the relationship had gone on for something like a year.

The article referred to - and it was this that amused my friend so much - the male impersonator using "some kind of implement" as a penis substitute.
The protagonist in that story went to my school!!
Was that the Doncaster one I was thinking of earlier? Didn't think it was that long ago

phil1979

3,554 posts

216 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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Interesting that the defendant was happy to show her face when arriving at court. She's clearly got some balls.

princealbert23

2,579 posts

162 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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There was a case a few years back of a 'girl' who slept with lots of soldiers in Colchester. She always insisted on the tradesmans entrance which being drunk they never argued with - turns out he was an effeminate butcher

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

154 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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phil1979 said:
Interesting that the defendant was happy to show her face when arriving at court. She's clearly got some balls.
Not much choice really. I don't like how the accused isn't given anonymity until they are actually convicted but the accuser often is. Has ruined a lot of innocent peoples' lives as rape and other sexual crimes is one of the more demonised crimes.

Edited by AndrewEH1 on Thursday 10th September 21:41

Morningside

24,110 posts

230 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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Surly a cock would feel totally different to a wibbly wobbly dong?

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

171 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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The victim probably felt a bit of a dildo.

Leptons

5,114 posts

177 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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AndrewEH1 said:
Not much choice really. I don't like how the accused isn't given anonymity until they are actually convicted but the accuser often is. Has ruined a lot of innocent peoples' lives as rape and other sexual crimes is one of the more demonised crimes.

Edited by AndrewEH1 on Thursday 10th September 21:41
Precisely. The accused will never live it down even if she's found not guilty.

bitchstewie

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51,368 posts

211 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Guilty.

I do still struggle with how you could possibly not know.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Indeed. It's an unusual, but not unheard of scenario.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34...

FredClogs

14,041 posts

162 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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What a cock up!

crugbun

492 posts

219 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Bloody hell... they found her guilty.
Amazing - judging on what was reported.

Vipers

32,894 posts

229 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Waste of tax payers money, no doubt for her a lucrative story in some low life tabloid.




smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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Some absolute classics in here! sniggering on the sofa.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

220 months

Tuesday 15th September 2015
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I'm amazed they found her guilty. I could understand her being able to deceive somebody for a couple of dates - but they were in a relationship for 2 years and for at least part of that they were (by the sounds of it) fully intimate!

Sounds utterly bizzare.

Kaj91

4,705 posts

122 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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bitchstewie

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51,368 posts

211 months

Thursday 12th November 2015
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8 years.