Slavery Reparations.
Discussion
DeanR32 said:
I'd have let you have the music one, but you twinned it with the drugs, gang related crime and NHS bit. You sure you're not Nick Griffin??? You seem to be implying Jamaicans are the drain on the NHS. Even if every gang related crime did happen to be committed by a black person (which I'm led to believe by your sweeping statement, and is a pretty s
tty thing to do), do they happen to all come from Jamaica? Or even their parents/grandparents?
Reads to me like you talking about black people in general.
I think you will find he was referring to Jamaican nationals who come to the UK then commit crime and/or use the NHS, he wasn’t making a blanket statement referring to all black people.tty thing to do), do they happen to all come from Jamaica? Or even their parents/grandparents? Reads to me like you talking about black people in general.
the large number of Jamaican nationals committing crime in the UK is why the UK spending 25million on a prison in Jamaica to send them back to is an actual cost saving to the UK. I also understand that health tourism from Jamaica is quite large.
DeanR32 said:
I'd have let you have the music one, but you twinned it with the drugs, gang related crime and NHS bit. You sure you're not Nick Griffin??? You seem to be implying Jamaicans are the drain on the NHS. Even if every gang related crime did happen to be committed by a black person (which I'm led to believe by your sweeping statement, and is a pretty stty thing to do), do they happen to all come from Jamaica? Or even their parents/grandparents?
Only a minority of Jamaicans are criminals etc - just like only a minority of white people were slavers.tty thing to do), do they happen to all come from Jamaica? Or even their parents/grandparents? If it's wrong to hold an entire people to account for the misdeeds of a few of it's members sometime in the past just because they had the same colour skin or came from the same locality - then surely it works both ways.
Strocky said:
barryrs said:
Id feel guilty if I were Scottish too
"In 1796, Scots owned nearly 30 per cent of the estates in Jamaica and by 1817, a staggering 32 per cent of the slaves"
In reality I struggle to see what difference such payments would make to historical wrongdoings.
I'm happy to sign the letter of apology, what about your good self?"In 1796, Scots owned nearly 30 per cent of the estates in Jamaica and by 1817, a staggering 32 per cent of the slaves"
In reality I struggle to see what difference such payments would make to historical wrongdoings.
Scotland was small fry, Black African slavers from the modern areas of Nigeria, Angola, Congo, Ghana and Tanzania captured and sold 90% of all black slaves on the Atlantic slave trade routes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/opinion/23gates....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/opinion/23gates....
Moonhawk said:
Only a minority of Jamaicans are criminals etc - just like only a minority of white people were slavers.
If it's wrong to hold an entire people to account for the misdeeds of a few of it's members sometime in the past just because they had the same colour skin or came from the same locality - then surely it works both ways.
Of course. I think it's a pathetic claim for compensation from Jamaica. Slavery should be confined to the history books. Although never forgotten. If it's wrong to hold an entire people to account for the misdeeds of a few of it's members sometime in the past just because they had the same colour skin or came from the same locality - then surely it works both ways.
I get the whole "minority" thing. If everyone understood the concept, it'd be a happier world. His statement read (to me) that Jamaicans are a drain on the NHS, all sell/take drugs, and participate in gang culture. I'd say ill people are a drain on the NHS. Thick, easily led f
kers are involved in gangs. I'd say drug dealers sell drugs. I just thought it was a s
t comment to make. The slavery bit didn't even enter my mind when replying to his comment
DeanR32 said:
Moonhawk said:
Only a minority of Jamaicans are criminals etc - just like only a minority of white people were slavers.
If it's wrong to hold an entire people to account for the misdeeds of a few of it's members sometime in the past just because they had the same colour skin or came from the same locality - then surely it works both ways.
Of course. I think it's a pathetic claim for compensation from Jamaica. Slavery should be confined to the history books. Although never forgotten. If it's wrong to hold an entire people to account for the misdeeds of a few of it's members sometime in the past just because they had the same colour skin or came from the same locality - then surely it works both ways.
I get the whole "minority" thing. If everyone understood the concept, it'd be a happier world. His statement read (to me) that Jamaicans are a drain on the NHS, all sell/take drugs, and participate in gang culture. I'd say ill people are a drain on the NHS. Thick, easily led f
kers are involved in gangs. I'd say drug dealers sell drugs. I just thought it was a s
t comment to make. The slavery bit didn't even enter my mind when replying to his commenthttp://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jul/18/ukguns.t...
hornetrider said:
Jamaica want a few billion from us.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/jamai...
Seems a legit claim, let's dig deep!
My deceased grandfather wants something from Germany for shooting him at point blank range in the hand and making him work in a labour camp, will he get anything? no. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/jamai...
Seems a legit claim, let's dig deep!
Move on.
Stevanos said:
hornetrider said:
Jamaica want a few billion from us.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/jamai...
Seems a legit claim, let's dig deep!
My deceased grandfather wants something from Germany for shooting him at point blank range in the hand and making him work in a labour camp, will he get anything? no. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/jamai...
Seems a legit claim, let's dig deep!
Move on.
MikeT66 said:
Ooooh, and me! I want some cash, too, if handouts are being given out. My ancestors were removed from the Scottish Highlands during the Highland Clearances and decamped to Ireland - just in time for the Potato Famine (we're a lucky bunch). Who do I sue? I know, the damned Englis.... oh, er, hold on... that's me. 
just give yourself a tenner and be done with it...
Mandalore said:
Will this be the replacement for PPI?
Loads of people calling to say you have an ancestor wronged by somebody/some other country, at some time and you could be due some money if you sign up with them?
But even with that they are currently talking about putting a time limit on claims!Loads of people calling to say you have an ancestor wronged by somebody/some other country, at some time and you could be due some money if you sign up with them?
LastLight said:
Mandalore said:
Will this be the replacement for PPI?
Loads of people calling to say you have an ancestor wronged by somebody/some other country, at some time and you could be due some money if you sign up with them?
But even with that they are currently talking about putting a time limit on claims!Loads of people calling to say you have an ancestor wronged by somebody/some other country, at some time and you could be due some money if you sign up with them?
Walford said:
LastLight said:
Mandalore said:
Will this be the replacement for PPI?
Loads of people calling to say you have an ancestor wronged by somebody/some other country, at some time and you could be due some money if you sign up with them?
But even with that they are currently talking about putting a time limit on claims!Loads of people calling to say you have an ancestor wronged by somebody/some other country, at some time and you could be due some money if you sign up with them?
*bump*
If institutions are doing this it will only be a matter of time before politicians call for it on a state level.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cambridge-...
Non paywall....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48097051
Edited by BlackLabel on Tuesday 30th April 16:37
I find it interesting that Cambridge are implicated and considering reparations when the entire insurance market was founded on slavery, and far wealthier.
The Times article features a poll which asks whether institutions should pay. The binary nature of this question got me thinking about the simple basis for this, which is that the entity benefited financially from exploitation, in which case I would presume Allianz, BASF etc would have profits much more easily traced back the 1930/40s which should be returned or donated.
The Times article features a poll which asks whether institutions should pay. The binary nature of this question got me thinking about the simple basis for this, which is that the entity benefited financially from exploitation, in which case I would presume Allianz, BASF etc would have profits much more easily traced back the 1930/40s which should be returned or donated.
Edited by jfire on Tuesday 30th April 16:58
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