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if the answer is to lock your guns up in a safe place so children can't shoot themselves or other people, why not just go one step further and leave them at the gun club (if you really must have one)?
Or are Americans so afraid that someone is going to break into their house and murder them in their beds that they need a gun at all times - then how is having locked up in a safe place going to help? Do you shout downstairs "Wait a minute! Just need to find the key / turn the light on to do the combination lock! Don't come upstairs just yet! I also need to put some pants on, and you really don't want to see that! No, not yet, wait, nearly there.. Maud? MAUD! Was it you dad's or mum's birthday for the code? Sister's? Which Sister? Sorry, nearly there mate, give me a few more minutes, you know how it is with the missus.. Sarah? Who is Sarah? Oh, your Sister's friend.. no I don't remember her.. what party?".
Why would you want to live in country gripped with such massive fear and insecurity that appears to be, no the surface, entirely of your own making?
Or are Americans so afraid that someone is going to break into their house and murder them in their beds that they need a gun at all times - then how is having locked up in a safe place going to help? Do you shout downstairs "Wait a minute! Just need to find the key / turn the light on to do the combination lock! Don't come upstairs just yet! I also need to put some pants on, and you really don't want to see that! No, not yet, wait, nearly there.. Maud? MAUD! Was it you dad's or mum's birthday for the code? Sister's? Which Sister? Sorry, nearly there mate, give me a few more minutes, you know how it is with the missus.. Sarah? Who is Sarah? Oh, your Sister's friend.. no I don't remember her.. what party?".
Why would you want to live in country gripped with such massive fear and insecurity that appears to be, no the surface, entirely of your own making?
vonuber said:
if the answer is to lock your guns up in a safe place so children can't shoot themselves or other people, why not just go one step further and leave them at the gun club (if you really must have one)?
You asked that question before. Why leave them at the gun club? What if you go to more than one gun club? What if you go shooting outdoors? What if you lend your gun to your friend? You do not need to leave your gun in the gun club in the UK, you can have it at home... and according to this thread the UK has all the answers about guns. The unquoted rest of the post is silly. Americans are not quaking with fear in their own homes.
creampuff said:
vonuber said:
if the answer is to lock your guns up in a safe place so children can't shoot themselves or other people, why not just go one step further and leave them at the gun club (if you really must have one)?
You asked that question before. Why leave them at the gun club? What if you go to more than one gun club? What if you go shooting outdoors? What if you lend your gun to your friend? You do not need to leave your gun in the gun club in the UK, you can have it at home... and according to this thread the UK has all the answers about guns. The unquoted rest of the post is silly. Americans are not quaking with fear in their own homes.
k all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night 
WinstonWolf said:
A gun safely stored is fk all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night
We have been through all of that earlier in this thread. Most guns are not purchased for protection. Most guns in the USA are probably 22 rifles. These have almost zero use for "protection". Are we going to repeat the whole thread or shall we just skip to the conclusion and agree that Britain is utopia, Britain has all the answers about guns and Americans are fat, Americans are crazy, Americans are murders and that having a gun in the house will instantly kill everybody? Regardless, I cannot see the point about leaving guns in a gun club, since you don't even need to do that here. k all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night creampuff said:
WinstonWolf said:
A gun safely stored is fk all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night
We have been through all of that earlier in this thread. Most guns are not purchased for protection. Most guns in the USA are probably 22 rifles. These have almost zero use for "protection". Are we going to repeat the whole thread or shall we just skip to the conclusion and agree that Britain is utopia, Britain has all the answers about guns and Americans are fat, Americans are crazy, Americans are murders and that having a gun in the house will instantly kill everybody? Regardless, I cannot see the point about leaving guns in a gun club, since you don't even need to do that here. k all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night If the American approach to guns is safe how come so many people are f
king dying? Sky News said:
A four-year-old girl has been shot dead in what police are treating as a road rage attack in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Investigators said the girl was driving with her parents along the Interstate 40 when another car pulled up beside them and started shooting.
According to local media she was hit in the head by one of the bullets before the suspect fled the scene. Her parents were unharmed.
The girl, who has not been named, was taken to a nearby hospital, where she later died.
Police say they do not believe the family knew the suspect and are treating the incident as a road rage attack.
Freedom! fInvestigators said the girl was driving with her parents along the Interstate 40 when another car pulled up beside them and started shooting.
According to local media she was hit in the head by one of the bullets before the suspect fled the scene. Her parents were unharmed.
The girl, who has not been named, was taken to a nearby hospital, where she later died.
Police say they do not believe the family knew the suspect and are treating the incident as a road rage attack.
k Yeah!
A good friend of my wife's was walking in Washington DC with her brother. There were restrictions in the locations they could go by their insurance so it was an early evening stroll in a shopping area. They were walking past a shop with a large illuminated plastic sign above the window. They'd just turned from it when a car drove past. A shot came out of the car, smashing the sign above their heads, drenching them in a flood of plastic. The woman was frightened and upset.
They reported it to the police - her brother was part of the British embassy. They were told, in so many words, to clear off. It was just youngsters having fun it seems.
My son stayed for a couple of weeks in an apartment in NYC. The area seemed fairly pleasant but there were sounds of gunfire every night.
Whilst the UK is far from utopia, it's not that bad.
They reported it to the police - her brother was part of the British embassy. They were told, in so many words, to clear off. It was just youngsters having fun it seems.
My son stayed for a couple of weeks in an apartment in NYC. The area seemed fairly pleasant but there were sounds of gunfire every night.
Whilst the UK is far from utopia, it's not that bad.
Oakey said:
Sky News said:
A four-year-old girl has been shot dead in what police are treating as a road rage attack in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Investigators said the girl was driving with her parents along the Interstate 40 when another car pulled up beside them and started shooting.
According to local media she was hit in the head by one of the bullets before the suspect fled the scene. Her parents were unharmed.
The girl, who has not been named, was taken to a nearby hospital, where she later died.
Police say they do not believe the family knew the suspect and are treating the incident as a road rage attack.
Freedom! fInvestigators said the girl was driving with her parents along the Interstate 40 when another car pulled up beside them and started shooting.
According to local media she was hit in the head by one of the bullets before the suspect fled the scene. Her parents were unharmed.
The girl, who has not been named, was taken to a nearby hospital, where she later died.
Police say they do not believe the family knew the suspect and are treating the incident as a road rage attack.
k Yeah!I reckon if you carry a gun, you should at least be legally compelled to wear spurs and a Stetson too, like a proper cowboy, and then people who don't want to play Wild West with you are forewarned to keep well out of the way. (I know this is a daft idea, but so is failing to see the real problem.)
Derek Smith said:
A good friend of my wife's was walking in Washington DC with her brother. There were restrictions in the locations they could go by their insurance so it was an early evening stroll in a shopping area. They were walking past a shop with a large illuminated plastic sign above the window. They'd just turned from it when a car drove past. A shot came out of the car, smashing the sign above their heads, drenching them in a flood of plastic. The woman was frightened and upset.
They reported it to the police - her brother was part of the British embassy. They were told, in so many words, to clear off. It was just youngsters having fun it seems.
My son stayed for a couple of weeks in an apartment in NYC. The area seemed fairly pleasant but there were sounds of gunfire every night.
Whilst the UK is far from utopia, it's not that bad.
Heh. As a born and bred American, I can tell you, you have no idea.They reported it to the police - her brother was part of the British embassy. They were told, in so many words, to clear off. It was just youngsters having fun it seems.
My son stayed for a couple of weeks in an apartment in NYC. The area seemed fairly pleasant but there were sounds of gunfire every night.
Whilst the UK is far from utopia, it's not that bad.
Lived in DC for 4 years. Townhouse in NE. Gunfire could be heard on 4 out of 7 nights a week, complete with helicopters and searchlights. Went to uni in Richmond, VA. Gunfire heard regularly at night. Richmond had the second highest murder rate in the country back then.
Edit: And lets not forget the poverty. Ghettos in major urban areas typically resemble the third world. Have never seen anything that comes close where I now live (Germany).
Edited by scherzkeks on Thursday 22 October 11:13
scherzkeks said:
Heh. As a born and bred American, I can tell you, you have no idea.
Lived in DC for 4 years. Townhouse in NE. Gunfire could be heard on 4 out of 7 nights a week, complete with helicopters and searchlights. Went to uni in Richmond, VA. Gunfire heard regularly at night. Richmond had the second highest murder rate in the country back then.
Edit: And lets not forget the poverty. Ghettos in major urban areas typically resemble the third world. Have never seen anything that comes close where I now live (Germany).
My lad moved to a lower area of NY for a few days, borrowing an apartment to keep it occupied. He was more or less paid to stay there. He went into town one day but the cabs wouldn't take him all the way back around 1-2am. He walked the last mile or so only to be confronted by a road block, manned by a black gang complete with guns. Stolen cars were dumped across the road. He waved at the blokes, they indicated the safe route, he walked through, went on his way, and the following day there was no trace of the cars.Lived in DC for 4 years. Townhouse in NE. Gunfire could be heard on 4 out of 7 nights a week, complete with helicopters and searchlights. Went to uni in Richmond, VA. Gunfire heard regularly at night. Richmond had the second highest murder rate in the country back then.
Edit: And lets not forget the poverty. Ghettos in major urban areas typically resemble the third world. Have never seen anything that comes close where I now live (Germany).
Edited by scherzkeks on Thursday 22 October 11:13
He said that he felt extremely nervous and would have left the apartment but had promised the chap renting it. Even in daylight there were groups standing around intimidatingly. He dressed in s/h clothes and was more or less ignored.
Yet I have a friend who lives just outside Seattle and she reckons there are 'no problems' there. She goes into town of a night and doesn't feel under threat.
Derek Smith said:
Yet I have a friend who lives just outside Seattle and she reckons there are 'no problems' there. She goes into town of a night and doesn't feel under threat.
Well, of course. There are realatively safe areas everywhere, but the "bad" areas are really bad. And the spillover all to frequent. creampuff said:
It's plenty sunk in. Americans are stupid and anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid. End of thread.
You forgot to say "fat".No-one else has said it, but every other time you make your witty sarcastic remark, you use the word "fat", so I thought it must have slipped your mind.
BTW, I don't think you lot are stupid, just paranoid, vengeful, and misguided.
ps The meme that an armed society is a peaceful society was a favourite one of R. Heinlen (sp?), and it was b
ks when he wrote it as well, in some pretty dire SF.Some of his stuff was ok, but the macho bulls
t overwhelmed otherwise ok work.WinstonWolf said:
A gun safely stored is fk all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night
https://youtu.be/7-hB-GQsT4Ek all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night There are lots of biometric choices - the fact that you continue to make uneducated/ill-informed comments on this subject, really makes you look kind of silly.
I appreciate and understand your position on public firearm ownership - but make an effort for f
ks sake. Edited by Matt Harper on Thursday 22 October 18:33
Matt Harper said:
https://youtu.be/7-hB-GQsT4E
There are lots of biometric choices - the fact that you continue to make uneducated/ill-informed comments on this subject, really makes you look kind of silly.
I appreciate and understand your position on public firearm ownership - but make an effort for fks sake.
So you're suggesting that it would be a good idea to pass a law that all guns should be locked in biometric safes?There are lots of biometric choices - the fact that you continue to make uneducated/ill-informed comments on this subject, really makes you look kind of silly.
I appreciate and understand your position on public firearm ownership - but make an effort for f
ks sake. Edited by Matt Harper on Thursday 22 October 18:33
Matt Harper said:
WinstonWolf said:
A gun safely stored is fk all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night
https://youtu.be/7-hB-GQsT4Ek all use if you're burgled in the middle of the night There are lots of biometric choices - the fact that you continue to make uneducated/ill-informed comments on this subject, really makes you look kind of silly.
I appreciate and understand your position on public firearm ownership - but make an effort for f
ks sake. Edited by Matt Harper on Thursday 22 October 18:33
Matt Harper said:
No, I'm suggesting that there are ways of securing handguns safely, that leave them accessible to their owners only, at the touch of a button.
I would be quite happy if it became a legal requirement to secure firearms responsibly, however.
I agree, am not anti-gun having owned a few, but I have never felt the need or want to walk around with a loaded firearm, unfortunately there are many Americans who do want to walk around with loaded firearms and getting them to agree to keep all guns safely locked up when not in use is just not going to happen, even if a law was passed to require guns to be locked up it wouldn't happen.I would be quite happy if it became a legal requirement to secure firearms responsibly, however.
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