Bus crashes into supermarket
Discussion
dudleybloke said:
It could have been a mechanical fault as witnesses say he was sounding the horn to alert people, so it doesn't look like he passed out.
Could have had a stoke affecting his leg / foot on accelerator. any number of medical conditions could affect leg movement, trapped nerve, cramp, MS, stroke etc. Horrible incident, that poor lad on the top deck.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I'm not going to get into speculating on whether his age played any part in this, but I'm genuinely surprised you're allowed to employ a 77 year old as a bus driver tbh.
Policy now to make us all work till we drop. Default retirement age (always 65) phased out - most people can now work for as long as they want to.
Has its downfalls.
Like most things today, it's all about the money, money, money.
Edited by dandarez on Monday 5th October 20:11
Its a sobering thought that a good percentage of hgv drivers are over 65
Think about that next time your on the motorway 44 tonnes piloted by someone who really should be ballroom dancing in Bournemouth.
Its quite frankly about time certain occupations had a upper age limit
I shall hopefully be giving up my hgv licence aged 51
Think about that next time your on the motorway 44 tonnes piloted by someone who really should be ballroom dancing in Bournemouth.
Its quite frankly about time certain occupations had a upper age limit
I shall hopefully be giving up my hgv licence aged 51
BlackLabel said:
Saw this on the news last night Not only had an undercover instructor classed him as dodgy, and ignoring his age, the hours he was working were just ridiculous. Obvs bus drivers arent ruled by a tacho??
numtumfutunch said:
Saw this on the news last night
Not only had an undercover instructor classed him as dodgy, and ignoring his age, the hours he was working were just ridiculous. Obvs bus drivers arent ruled by a tacho??
Almost as good as the Glasgow bin lorry driver scenario eh ?Not only had an undercover instructor classed him as dodgy, and ignoring his age, the hours he was working were just ridiculous. Obvs bus drivers arent ruled by a tacho??
What will be done to stop it reoccurring?
Where is employed responsibly/liability?
Same with truck drivers and hours, how many of them will be out today in the windy weather "coerced" by their employers or chasing an extra £ ?
speedyguy said:
numtumfutunch said:
Saw this on the news last night
Not only had an undercover instructor classed him as dodgy, and ignoring his age, the hours he was working were just ridiculous. Obvs bus drivers arent ruled by a tacho??
Almost as good as the Glasgow bin lorry driver scenario eh ?Not only had an undercover instructor classed him as dodgy, and ignoring his age, the hours he was working were just ridiculous. Obvs bus drivers arent ruled by a tacho??
What will be done to stop it reoccurring?
Where is employed responsibly/liability?
Same with truck drivers and hours, how many of them will be out today in the windy weather "coerced" by their employers or chasing an extra £ ?
Stagecoach should be getting more than a fine for this. There’s been complete failing over managing an employee who was clearly not fit for the role.
The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
valiant said:
Stagecoach should be getting more than a fine for this. There’s been complete failing over managing an employee who was clearly not fit for the role.
The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
Absolutely. The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
Taking the old guy to court, well, in reality, what would be gained from that? his life is effectively over as it is.
If the keyboard warriors "want justice" then look to Martin A. Griffiths and Sir Brian Souter first.
valiant said:
Stagecoach should be getting more than a fine for this. There’s been complete failing over managing an employee who was clearly not fit for the role.
The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
This. ^^^ 100%. The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
The Hypno-Toad said:
valiant said:
Stagecoach should be getting more than a fine for this. There’s been complete failing over managing an employee who was clearly not fit for the role.
The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
This. ^^^ 100%. The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
t downwards.The Hypno-Toad said:
valiant said:
Stagecoach should be getting more than a fine for this. There’s been complete failing over managing an employee who was clearly not fit for the role.
The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
This. ^^^ 100%. The age is arguable as there are a lot of elderly people out there who are pin sharp but allowing him to work 70+ hours (been said on the beeb he’d done this the week prior as well), having 4 crashes in 3 years, an undercover instructor writing a damning assessment prior to the event?
Smacks of ‘get the buses out there and hang the consequences’ type of operation.
Management has clearly failed and should also be held fully accountable.
I hope HSE nail them to a wall, can't believe that, apparently, bus drivers are not subject to working hours rules like train drivers, truck drivers etc
Re the age of bus drivers......
"More than 9,000 people licensed to drive buses are over the age of 70 — including two 90-year-olds — amid evidence of a rapidly “greying workforce” on British roads.
Official figures show that about 330 drivers in their eighties hold bus licences and the oldest people behind the wheel were born in the 1920s. Experts say that older drivers are plugging a recruitment crisis in the industry."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-bu...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34453910
And re this guys hours......
"When speaking with him during the re-training, Mr Harding said Chander told him about his concerns about “doing too many hours, too many days”.
The witness, who signed Chander off as able to return to duties following the training, said: “I commented to him about why he was doing so many days.
“He commented that he didn’t know how to say ‘no’ (when offered shifts). I said ‘you need to start saying no if you don’t feel up to it’.
“I explained it’s his responsibility to make sure he is fit for work.”"
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...
"More than 9,000 people licensed to drive buses are over the age of 70 — including two 90-year-olds — amid evidence of a rapidly “greying workforce” on British roads.
Official figures show that about 330 drivers in their eighties hold bus licences and the oldest people behind the wheel were born in the 1920s. Experts say that older drivers are plugging a recruitment crisis in the industry."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-bu...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34453910
And re this guys hours......
"When speaking with him during the re-training, Mr Harding said Chander told him about his concerns about “doing too many hours, too many days”.
The witness, who signed Chander off as able to return to duties following the training, said: “I commented to him about why he was doing so many days.
“He commented that he didn’t know how to say ‘no’ (when offered shifts). I said ‘you need to start saying no if you don’t feel up to it’.
“I explained it’s his responsibility to make sure he is fit for work.”"
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...
untakenname said:
On the news yesterday it said he had his ability to drive buses revoked, does this mean he can still drive a car?
Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
i think when someone is suffering dementia the issue is with the people that employed them and allowed them to work stupid hours given their age and physical condition.Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
untakenname said:
On the news yesterday it said he had his ability to drive buses revoked, does this mean he can still drive a car?
Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
By whom?Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
I think if you "disassemble the whole thing" overall it paints a pretty bleak picture of the UK in 1818.....
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