Bus crashes into supermarket
Discussion
wc98 said:
untakenname said:
On the news yesterday it said he had his ability to drive buses revoked, does this mean he can still drive a car?
Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
i think when someone is suffering dementia the issue is with the people that employed them and allowed them to work stupid hours given their age and physical condition.Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
REALIST123 said:
wc98 said:
untakenname said:
On the news yesterday it said he had his ability to drive buses revoked, does this mean he can still drive a car?
Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
i think when someone is suffering dementia the issue is with the people that employed them and allowed them to work stupid hours given their age and physical condition.Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Absolutely.
Taking the old guy to court, well, in reality, what would be gained from that? his life is effectively over as it is.
Not as quite as over as the two poor buggers he killed though. Taking the old guy to court, well, in reality, what would be gained from that? his life is effectively over as it is.
ex Mayor of Leamington Spa...…...I wonder if the Pinochet defence was mentioned to him...
I agree that Stagecoach management need screwing to the wall too.
REALIST123 said:
wc98 said:
untakenname said:
On the news yesterday it said he had his ability to drive buses revoked, does this mean he can still drive a car?
Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
i think when someone is suffering dementia the issue is with the people that employed them and allowed them to work stupid hours given their age and physical condition.Imo he should be in jail for the rest of his life, this 'accident' was completely preventable.
Minimum time between shifts for local bis drivers is only 8.5hrs. And there are limits on the amount of daily driving, which some companies will push to the absolute limit.
For example "you have a scheduled layover of 10 minutes there, that doesn't count as driving time". So even though the driver is behind the wheel of the bus and may have to allow people to board, sell tickets, etc, because it's not "driving" time, it doesn't get included in the maximum 10 hrs permitted by law.
The driving time can also be spread across a much longer period, so long as there are a certain amount of minimum breaks. 16hrs from start to finish IIRC.
Its absolutely the driver's responsibility to make sure he is rested and fit for duty, but there is a culture in some companies of pushing drivers to the limit of sanity and legality.
For example "you have a scheduled layover of 10 minutes there, that doesn't count as driving time". So even though the driver is behind the wheel of the bus and may have to allow people to board, sell tickets, etc, because it's not "driving" time, it doesn't get included in the maximum 10 hrs permitted by law.
The driving time can also be spread across a much longer period, so long as there are a certain amount of minimum breaks. 16hrs from start to finish IIRC.
Its absolutely the driver's responsibility to make sure he is rested and fit for duty, but there is a culture in some companies of pushing drivers to the limit of sanity and legality.
Before we all get our high horses about his age. Did anyone see the bus hit the pedestrian outside the Purple Turtle in Reading not so long ago?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNlwBzgZQ8
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-43...
The bus driver was 41 years of age when this happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNlwBzgZQ8
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-43...
The bus driver was 41 years of age when this happened.
TaylotS2K said:
Before we all get our high horses about his age. Did anyone see the bus hit the pedestrian outside the Purple Turtle in Reading?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNlwBzgZQ8
The bus driver was 41 years of age when this happened.
His age may or may not be relevant, working 10hr days 7 days a week certainly is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNlwBzgZQ8
The bus driver was 41 years of age when this happened.
Where's the duty of care?
PositronicRay said:
TaylotS2K said:
Before we all get our high horses about his age. Did anyone see the bus hit the pedestrian outside the Purple Turtle in Reading?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNlwBzgZQ8
The bus driver was 41 years of age when this happened.
His age may or may not be relevant, working 10hr days 7 days a week certainly is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNlwBzgZQ8
The bus driver was 41 years of age when this happened.
Where's the duty of care?
citizensm1th said:
Hate to be the one to tell you this but certain sections ion of the professional driving profession are hoping that after brexit the working time directive and drivers hours legislation will be relaxed not tightened
Yes, I know a few drivers and two of them are rather vocal about their displeasure at having their earning potential limited by regulations made by "unelected t
ts in Brussles" that dictate the number of hours they work. Shakermaker said:
Yes, I know a few drivers and two of them are rather vocal about their displeasure at having their earning potential limited by regulations made by "unelected tts in Brussles" that dictate the number of hours they work.
Doesn't it make you feel safe knowing people like that are driving 44 tonnes of truck behind your family on the motorway ts in Brussles" that dictate the number of hours they work. PositronicRay said:
His age may or may not be relevant, working 10hr days 7 days a week certainly is.
Where's the duty of care?
Where's the duty of care?
BlackLabel said:
The witness, who signed Chander off as able to return to duties following the training, said: “I commented to him about why he was doing so many days.
“He commented that he didn’t know how to say ‘no’ (when offered shifts). I said ‘you need to start saying no if you don’t feel up to it’.
“I explained it’s his responsibility
to be fit for work
“He commented that he didn’t know how to say ‘no’ (when offered shifts). I said ‘you need to start saying no if you don’t feel up to it’.
“I explained it’s his responsibility
to be fit for work
PositronicRay said:
I imagine a lot of senior arse covering now going on, to deflect any st downwards.
See above it's all about moving/avoiding responsibility t downwards.
citizensm1th said:
Hate to be the one to tell you this but certain sections ion of the professional driving profession are hoping that after brexit the working time directive and drivers hours legislation will be relaxed not tightened
One of the biggest issues WRT recruiting drivers has been the EU's insistence on the (broadly useless) drive CPC legislation. So, whilst I am fully behind the drivers hours regulations, as part of the overall working time directive, I don;t think the EU is blameless.As for bus operators in general, the state of many operator's buses alone is cause for concern, let alone the drivers. There seems to be a huge disparity from region to region in the UK, which does not make too much sense to me.
speedyguy said:
PositronicRay said:
His age may or may not be relevant, working 10hr days 7 days a week certainly is.
Where's the duty of care?
Where's the duty of care?
BlackLabel said:
The witness, who signed Chander off as able to return to duties following the training, said: “I commented to him about why he was doing so many days.
“He commented that he didn’t know how to say ‘no’ (when offered shifts). I said ‘you need to start saying no if you don’t feel up to it’.
“I explained it’s his responsibility
to be fit for work
“He commented that he didn’t know how to say ‘no’ (when offered shifts). I said ‘you need to start saying no if you don’t feel up to it’.
“I explained it’s his responsibility
to be fit for work
PositronicRay said:
I imagine a lot of senior arse covering now going on, to deflect any st downwards.
See above it's all about moving/avoiding responsibility t downwards.Kccv23highliftcam said:
And what happens if you should DARE to call in sick?
IME, you get treated like you are being absolutely selfish and inconsiderate. Then they start scrabbling round for someone to cover your shift, often by ringing drivers on their rest days.In the interim depots usually have a couple of spare drivers.
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