Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
Sugar consumption in the UK has been dropping for years.
Obesity rate levelled out about 10 years ago.
Obesity is the risk factor for diabetes, not sugar consumption itself.
There is such a thing as freedom of choice.
Year-on-year increases here, with household consumption quoted as remaining 'comparatively steady'.Obesity rate levelled out about 10 years ago.
Obesity is the risk factor for diabetes, not sugar consumption itself.
There is such a thing as freedom of choice.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/289927/expendi...
Type 2 diabetes
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-11/d...
'DIAGNOSED
There are 3.2 million people who have been
diagnosed with diabetes in the UK (2013)3
.
By 2025, it is estimated that five million people will
have diabetes in the UK4
.
It is equivalent to:
• more than 400 people every day (410)
• over 17 people every hour (17.12).
• around three people every ten minutes. (2.85)'
Sugar intake & diabetes
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317246.p...
'Understanding the link between sugar and diabetes
Although eating sugar is not directly linked to developing diabetes, some evidence suggests that increased overall availability of sugar makes diabetes more common. A 2013 study that looked at 175 different countries found that more sugar in the food supply increased diabetes rates.
Specifically, for every additional 150 calories of sugar available per day per person, diabetes levels rose 1 percent. This change continued even when researchers controlled other factors linked to diabetes, such as obesity, exercise, and overall calorie consumption.
This research suggests that sugar consumption does affect diabetes, at least on a population level.
The study did not look at individuals, so does not support the claim that individual sugar consumption causes diabetes. Despite this, it gives people who eat a lot of sugar something to consider, especially if they have other diabetes risk factors.
A 2012 review of previous research suggests that some forms of sugar consumption could increase the risk of diabetes. Drawing upon previous research, the study suggested that sugary drinks were likely to increase the risk of type 2 diabetes. Research on the link between other forms of sugar intake and diabetes, as well as sugar and other health risk factors, did not reach any firm findings.'
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-11/d...
'DIAGNOSED
There are 3.2 million people who have been
diagnosed with diabetes in the UK (2013)3
.
By 2025, it is estimated that five million people will
have diabetes in the UK4
.
It is equivalent to:
• more than 400 people every day (410)
• over 17 people every hour (17.12).
• around three people every ten minutes. (2.85)'
Sugar intake & diabetes
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317246.p...
'Understanding the link between sugar and diabetes
Although eating sugar is not directly linked to developing diabetes, some evidence suggests that increased overall availability of sugar makes diabetes more common. A 2013 study that looked at 175 different countries found that more sugar in the food supply increased diabetes rates.
Specifically, for every additional 150 calories of sugar available per day per person, diabetes levels rose 1 percent. This change continued even when researchers controlled other factors linked to diabetes, such as obesity, exercise, and overall calorie consumption.
This research suggests that sugar consumption does affect diabetes, at least on a population level.
The study did not look at individuals, so does not support the claim that individual sugar consumption causes diabetes. Despite this, it gives people who eat a lot of sugar something to consider, especially if they have other diabetes risk factors.
A 2012 review of previous research suggests that some forms of sugar consumption could increase the risk of diabetes. Drawing upon previous research, the study suggested that sugary drinks were likely to increase the risk of type 2 diabetes. Research on the link between other forms of sugar intake and diabetes, as well as sugar and other health risk factors, did not reach any firm findings.'
Dr Jekyll said:
UK sugar consumption per head
The increase in obesity since WW2 is due to reduced exercise, not increased calorie consumption. The amount of calories WW2 rationing was intended to provide to keep weight steady was much higher than current recommended levels.
It seems clear that we need to drastically reduce sugar consumption, along with increasing exercise, since we as a nation lead far more sedentary lifestyles than we did even 20 years ago.The increase in obesity since WW2 is due to reduced exercise, not increased calorie consumption. The amount of calories WW2 rationing was intended to provide to keep weight steady was much higher than current recommended levels.
As a nation we are consuming more calories than we burn, and the cheapest & quickest way to inject calories into your body is to consume sugar.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/uk-obesi...
UK named most overweight nation in Western Europe as obesity rate rises faster than US
Around 27 per cent of Britons are now clinically obese, and another 36 per cent are overweight
'The UK is the most overweight nation in Western Europe, with levels of obesity growing faster than in the US, a new report has warned.
The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) said Britain was the sixth-worst country in its 35 member states, coming behind Mexico, the USA, New Zealand, Finland and Australia.
Around 27 per cent of the population are now clinically obese and another 36 per cent are overweight, making the combined figure among the highest in the world.
“Obesity has risen sharply since 1990, when it affected only 14 per cent of adults,” said the OECD’s annual “Health at a Glance” report.
Obesity is on the rise
“The overall health of British people is similar to the OECD average, considering life expectancy and other general measures of health status … but obesity rates are considerably worse.”
It listed the UK as among countries with “historically high” rates, but said it was also the country where obesity was rising the fastest – increasing by 92 per cent, compared to 65 per cent in the US.'
UK named most overweight nation in Western Europe as obesity rate rises faster than US
Around 27 per cent of Britons are now clinically obese, and another 36 per cent are overweight
'The UK is the most overweight nation in Western Europe, with levels of obesity growing faster than in the US, a new report has warned.
The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) said Britain was the sixth-worst country in its 35 member states, coming behind Mexico, the USA, New Zealand, Finland and Australia.
Around 27 per cent of the population are now clinically obese and another 36 per cent are overweight, making the combined figure among the highest in the world.
“Obesity has risen sharply since 1990, when it affected only 14 per cent of adults,” said the OECD’s annual “Health at a Glance” report.
Obesity is on the rise
“The overall health of British people is similar to the OECD average, considering life expectancy and other general measures of health status … but obesity rates are considerably worse.”
It listed the UK as among countries with “historically high” rates, but said it was also the country where obesity was rising the fastest – increasing by 92 per cent, compared to 65 per cent in the US.'
zygalski said:
Type 2 diabetes
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-11/d...
'DIAGNOSED
There are 3.2 million people who have been
diagnosed with diabetes in the UK (2013)3
.
By 2025, it is estimated that five million people will
have diabetes in the UK4
.
It is equivalent to:
• more than 400 people every day (410)
• over 17 people every hour (17.12).
• around three people every ten minutes. (2.85)'
Sugar intake & diabetes
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317246.p...
'Understanding the link between sugar and diabetes
Although eating sugar is not directly linked to developing diabetes, some evidence suggests that increased overall availability of sugar makes diabetes more common. A 2013 study that looked at 175 different countries found that more sugar in the food supply increased diabetes rates.
Specifically, for every additional 150 calories of sugar available per day per person, diabetes levels rose 1 percent. This change continued even when researchers controlled other factors linked to diabetes, such as obesity, exercise, and overall calorie consumption.
This research suggests that sugar consumption does affect diabetes, at least on a population level.
The study did not look at individuals, so does not support the claim that individual sugar consumption causes diabetes. Despite this, it gives people who eat a lot of sugar something to consider, especially if they have other diabetes risk factors.
A 2012 review of previous research suggests that some forms of sugar consumption could increase the risk of diabetes. Drawing upon previous research, the study suggested that sugary drinks were likely to increase the risk of type 2 diabetes. Research on the link between other forms of sugar intake and diabetes, as well as sugar and other health risk factors, did not reach any firm findings.'
As I said, it's obesity that's a risk factor for diabetes, not whether the calories come from sugar.https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-11/d...
'DIAGNOSED
There are 3.2 million people who have been
diagnosed with diabetes in the UK (2013)3
.
By 2025, it is estimated that five million people will
have diabetes in the UK4
.
It is equivalent to:
• more than 400 people every day (410)
• over 17 people every hour (17.12).
• around three people every ten minutes. (2.85)'
Sugar intake & diabetes
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317246.p...
'Understanding the link between sugar and diabetes
Although eating sugar is not directly linked to developing diabetes, some evidence suggests that increased overall availability of sugar makes diabetes more common. A 2013 study that looked at 175 different countries found that more sugar in the food supply increased diabetes rates.
Specifically, for every additional 150 calories of sugar available per day per person, diabetes levels rose 1 percent. This change continued even when researchers controlled other factors linked to diabetes, such as obesity, exercise, and overall calorie consumption.
This research suggests that sugar consumption does affect diabetes, at least on a population level.
The study did not look at individuals, so does not support the claim that individual sugar consumption causes diabetes. Despite this, it gives people who eat a lot of sugar something to consider, especially if they have other diabetes risk factors.
A 2012 review of previous research suggests that some forms of sugar consumption could increase the risk of diabetes. Drawing upon previous research, the study suggested that sugary drinks were likely to increase the risk of type 2 diabetes. Research on the link between other forms of sugar intake and diabetes, as well as sugar and other health risk factors, did not reach any firm findings.'
Cold said:
Is that to give them more time for breakfast?Dr Jekyll said:
UK sugar consumption per head
If that chart is accurate - then it means sugar consumption between 1980 and now has not only been dropping steadily, but has also been siginifcantly lower than the entire 1960s and 1970s. In fact - in 1980 sugar consumption was at a similar level to the turn of the century.So why has sugar suddenly become the main enemy?
We have had "fat is bad", "salt is bad", "cholesterol in eggs in bad", "msg is bad", "artificial colourings are bad", "artificial sweeteners are bad", "preservatives are bad" - so I guess it was only a matter of time.
The biggest issue is lack of exercise.
Moonhawk said:
If that chart is accurate - then it means sugar consumption between 1980 and now has not only been dropping steadily, but has also been siginifcantly lower than the entire 1960s and 1970s. In fact - in 1980 sugar consumption was at a similar level to the turn of the century.
So why has sugar suddenly become the main enemy?
We have had "fat is bad", "salt is bad", "cholesterol in eggs in bad", "msg is bad", "artificial colourings are bad", "artificial sweeteners are bad", "preservatives are bad" - so I guess it was only a matter of time.
The biggest issue is lack of exercise.
I think that for most, we could deal with the extra sugar content in the '70's and '80's due to our relatively active lifestyles. At school age, we were out of the house until the sun went down, and when of working age, my demographic at least, were working 8-10 hours a day in very physical jobs. The extra sugar content was probably needed back then. Not sure it is now, though - but we always had a cooked tea and dinner, no takeaways (except for the occasional Saturday), and no sweets except for Friday's.So why has sugar suddenly become the main enemy?
We have had "fat is bad", "salt is bad", "cholesterol in eggs in bad", "msg is bad", "artificial colourings are bad", "artificial sweeteners are bad", "preservatives are bad" - so I guess it was only a matter of time.
The biggest issue is lack of exercise.
People are probably consuming a lot more (bad) food now than ever before. Couple that with the relative lack of physical activity, people who do nothing all day, or work in jobs where they are stationary throughout the day and of course, all of that extra needless crappy (and sometimes dangerously addictive) food will have an adverse effect.
People are simply consuming way too much for their body requirements, that's why most are fat.
zygalski said:
Hate to say it chaps, but after years of sugary crap drinks, your tastebuds have been well & truly f
ked.
It's like people who give up sugar in tea & coffee... tastes rank to begin with, but after a while, you get accustomed to it. If you later add sugar again it tastes way too sickly sweet.
I applaud the sugar tax. I think the rates should be doubled & it should be extended to cereals, snack bars & confectionery.
It’s the sweeteners though. I don’t take sugar in tea or that. I fked.It's like people who give up sugar in tea & coffee... tastes rank to begin with, but after a while, you get accustomed to it. If you later add sugar again it tastes way too sickly sweet.
I applaud the sugar tax. I think the rates should be doubled & it should be extended to cereals, snack bars & confectionery.
king love(d) a can of irn bru though. I know I’ll get diabetes if it’s all I drink. Sweeteners taste minging.zygalski said:
A lot of pepple at work live locally to the office, yet drive in & back every day.
We're definitely of a car dependency mindset these days, even for the shortest of trips.
I am the only person on my whole work site that doesn't drive to work. I bike to work. There are about 50 people who work on my site.We're definitely of a car dependency mindset these days, even for the shortest of trips.
On said site there is a nursery. Only one person walks their child there.
The provisions for me cycling there are rubbish, but I still do it. There are no showers and only one of the two (uncovered) bike racks is bolted down. I have asked for better provisions but nobody is interested (they'd rather spend £3k on two kitchen taps!).
When I tell people I bike to work they can't understand why I would do this. Especially in winter.
Some of the people that bring their kids to nursery are really, really fat. My boss can't even walk up the office stairs without wheezing.
We are a very car dependant nation. No wonder we have so many fatties.
funkyrobot said:
I was on holiday last week so treated myself to a load of junk food.
I had to pay 14p extra tax on my McDonald's coke, just because some people can't control themselves.
I avoid anything with sweeteners. Who wants to put more chemicals into their system?
Is sugar not a chemical then?I had to pay 14p extra tax on my McDonald's coke, just because some people can't control themselves.
I avoid anything with sweeteners. Who wants to put more chemicals into their system?
zygalski said:
Hate to say it chaps, but after years of sugary crap drinks, your tastebuds have been well & truly fked.
It's like people who give up sugar in tea & coffee... tastes rank to begin with, but after a while, you get accustomed to it. If you later add sugar again it tastes way too sickly sweet.
I applaud the sugar tax. I think the rates should be doubled & it should be extended to cereals, snack bars & confectionery.
And that's it. When you reduce the sugar, you can taste different things, instead of the same sickly sweet tang. Your tastebuds soon sort themselves out.ked.It's like people who give up sugar in tea & coffee... tastes rank to begin with, but after a while, you get accustomed to it. If you later add sugar again it tastes way too sickly sweet.
I applaud the sugar tax. I think the rates should be doubled & it should be extended to cereals, snack bars & confectionery.
hornetrider said:
Really?!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/22/ja...
Is (say) a 20% levy on sugar based products really going to stop or discourage people buying them? I don't think so. They'll just face higher shopping bills.
A bag of sugar is a quid in the shops. Frankly I wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was £2, it's just a kitchen staple that gets put in the trolley along with everything else.
Is such a tax workable or of any tangible benefit?
Hasn't this tax got a lot of companies to reduce the sugar in their products though? I remember many, apart from Coca cola classic announced the intention to do so.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/22/ja...
Is (say) a 20% levy on sugar based products really going to stop or discourage people buying them? I don't think so. They'll just face higher shopping bills.
A bag of sugar is a quid in the shops. Frankly I wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was £2, it's just a kitchen staple that gets put in the trolley along with everything else.
Is such a tax workable or of any tangible benefit?
Workable/tangibe benefits- how much is it expected to rise annually? At the end of the day, even if this particular strategy doesn't work, the funds raised could either be used for other strategies, or pumped into the costs (NHS etc).
https://chocolateclass.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/hi...
http://www.divineeatingout.com/food-1/sugar-consum...
https://www.channel4.com/news/how-sweet-is-our-lov...
Sugar intake is up because it's in everything, unlike, pre-70s.
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