Paris shooting and casualties ?

[fatboy18]

p1stonhead said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34907009

US issues worldwide travel alert.

How is it possible to 'avoid crowds and crowded places'?!

You can't All you can do is be vigilant, but after a few days weeks things calm down and everyone carries on
What you could do is have some form of Army or Civil Defence force with check points in Cities on street corners doing random searches on people bags having controlled Zones a bit like they did in the City of London financial area in the 1980s after the Bombings.

It is possible to do this but sadly all these things cost money.
Luckily I don't live in a City and have no intention of going anywhere near one! but it can't be a nice feeling for many commuters who face the chaws of traveling on the train and underground everyday

[egor110]

irocfan said:

hornetrider said:

Patrick Bateman said:

Turkey have shot down a Russian jet from the sounds of things.

Whoopsy. Any news on the pilot?

apparently both survived - so that's good news at least

Sky news reporting they've parachuted into a rebel held area of syria.

[Shuvi McTupya]

glazbagun said:

And Tunisia. Tourist industry destroyed in the space of a year.

I'm still a believer in the statistical unlikleyhood of me being killed by a terrorist as opposed to a driver on his/her mobile, but I wonder if this could be what leads to US style gun ownership.

I don't see us ever being allowed to defend ourselves..we will just have 'soldiers' on our streets .

[Zod]

Shuvi McTupya said:

glazbagun said:

And Tunisia. Tourist industry destroyed in the space of a year.

I'm still a believer in the statistical unlikleyhood of me being killed by a terrorist as opposed to a driver on his/her mobile, but I wonder if this could be what leads to US style gun ownership.

I don't see us ever being allowed to defend ourselves..we will just have 'soldiers' on our streets .

Anyone who believes that arming the man in the street is a good way of defending the population against terrorism is dangerously deluded.

[Shuvi McTupya]

Zod said:

Anyone who believes that arming the man in the street is a good way of defending the population against terrorism is dangerously deluded.

You are probably right, but can't help but wonder if there would have been less deaths in Paris if the victims could shoot back..

I don't think it would be a good idea to just issue handguns to everybody but I don't see why responsible folk shouldn't be able to qualify to carry concealed weapons.

I am no expert or anything, just my initial feelings on the matter..

[Digga]

Zod said:

Anyone who believes that arming the man in the street is a good way of defending the population against terrorism is dangerously deluded.

'Merica!

Woooo!

Freeedom!

Woooo!

<BANG!>

"Ow! My foot!"

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=american+shoots+...

[p1stonhead]

Shuvi McTupya said:

You are probably right, but can't help but wonder if there would have been less deaths in Paris if the victims could shoot back..

I don't think it would be a good idea to just issue handguns to everybody but I don't see why responsible folk shouldn't be able to qualify to carry concealed weapons.

I am no expert or anything, just my initial feelings on the matter..

Almost certainly no chance of an untrained public with pistols defending against (presumably at least a bit trained) a few guys with AK47's.

See how well unregulated gun control has done for the USA.

[alock]

p1stonhead said:

How is it possible to 'avoid crowds and crowded places'?!

I generally try and do this anyway. Crowds of the general public are typically unpleasant anyway.

[TurboHatchback]

Shuvi McTupya said:

Zod said:

Anyone who believes that arming the man in the street is a good way of defending the population against terrorism is dangerously deluded.

You are probably right, but can't help but wonder if there would have been less deaths in Paris if the victims could shoot back..

I don't think it would be a good idea to just issue handguns to everybody but I don't see why responsible folk shouldn't be able to qualify to carry concealed weapons.

I am no expert or anything, just my initial feelings on the matter..

There might have been less deaths on the night but that would be more than countered by the continual stream of deaths that would result from widespread public gun ownership. Also I wouldn't trust random members of the public to correctly identify the terrorists and not just start shooting each other, when half the public is armed how do you tell who is a terrorist and who is a citizen bearing arms? More than simply owning guns and keeping them locked up at home, to make any difference the public would have to be carrying them all the time. Just imagine the carnage when every simple dispute, drunken fight, traffic collision and petty crime suddenly becomes a life or death situation because firearms are involved.

Frankly most of the population are barely responsible enough to be let loose with automobiles and power tools let alone firearms. Leave them to those who are properly trained in their use. Also then any such situation is made much simpler for the police: If he has a gun and no clothing with 'Police' written on it then he is a target not an innocent member of the public.

[egor110]

Shuvi McTupya said:

Zod said:

Anyone who believes that arming the man in the street is a good way of defending the population against terrorism is dangerously deluded.

You are probably right, but can't help but wonder if there would have been less deaths in Paris if the victims could shoot back..

I don't think it would be a good idea to just issue handguns to everybody but I don't see why responsible folk shouldn't be able to qualify to carry concealed weapons.

I am no expert or anything, just my initial feelings on the matter..

So a pitch black club and everyone just shoots towards where they think the terrorists were?

What could go wrong?

[Troubleatmill]

A lot of the population are unable to:
Keep left after overtaking
Use indicators
Parallel park.
Wash regularly with soap.


And you want to give the opportunity of owning a gun which they carry around in public

[anonymous-user]

Zod said:

Anyone who believes that arming the man in the street is a good way of defending the population against terrorism is dangerously deluded.

Exactly. Its a good clue as to who is a terrorist if they are carrying a firearm, what do you expect will happen? - Johnny Terrorist just says oh I'm all nice and legal carrying an M16 on the Metro you cant touch me its racism??

Mad idea lets move on.

[AstonZagato]

TurboHatchback said:

Shuvi McTupya said:

Zod said:

Anyone who believes that arming the man in the street is a good way of defending the population against terrorism is dangerously deluded.

You are probably right, but can't help but wonder if there would have been less deaths in Paris if the victims could shoot back..

I don't think it would be a good idea to just issue handguns to everybody but I don't see why responsible folk shouldn't be able to qualify to carry concealed weapons.

I am no expert or anything, just my initial feelings on the matter..

There might have been less deaths on the night but that would be more than countered by the continual stream of deaths that would result from widespread public gun ownership. Also I wouldn't trust random members of the public to correctly identify the terrorists and not just start shooting each other, when half the public is armed how do you tell who is a terrorist and who is a citizen bearing arms? More than simply owning guns and keeping them locked up at home, to make any difference the public would have to be carrying them all the time. Just imagine the carnage when every simple dispute, drunken fight, traffic collision and petty crime suddenly becomes a life or death situation because firearms are involved.

Frankly most of the population are barely responsible enough to be let loose with automobiles and power tools let alone firearms. Leave them to those who are properly trained in their use. Also then any such situation is made much simpler for the police: If he has a gun and no clothing with 'Police' written on it then he is a target not an innocent member of the public.

I seem to remember that Paris, after these attacks, has less murders per 100k of population than any of the top ten US cities by a huge factor.

[irocfan]

and on it goes

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/egypt...

[Digga]

Troubleatmill said:

A lot of the population are unable to:
Keep left after overtaking
Use indicators
Parallel park.
Wash regularly with soap.


And you want to give the opportunity of owning a gun which they carry around in public

^This.

AstonZagato said:

I seem to remember that Paris, after these attacks, has less murders per 100k of population than any of the top ten US cities by a huge factor.

^And this.

I am extremely grateful we have sensible gun laws in the UK.

[Puggit]

irocfan said:

and on it goes

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/egypt...

Al-Arish is at the heart of the Sinai insurgency and is a complete no-go area for tourists.

[Abbott]

TurboHatchback said:

Leave them to those who are properly trained in their use. Also then any such situation is made much simpler for the police: If he has a gun and no clothing with 'Police' written on it then he is a target not an innocent member of the public.

One of the State Of Emergency laws that have been passed allows French off Duty policemen to carry thier firearms. This creates a big question about what to do when you see someone not in uniform carry a gun.
I was travelling down a narrow Parisien road a few years ago following a white van and nearly shat myself when the van stopped and the driver jumped out with a pistol shoved down his crack. It took a while to realise he was plain clothed police.

[jmorgan]

egor110 said:

So a pitch black club and everyone just shoots towards where they think the terrorists were?

What could go wrong?

The bit that worries me when the right to carry keeps coming up. Plus the terrorist will change tactics anyway.

[fatboy18]

Would have given me great pleasure slotting the two towrags vandalising my local Bus shelter last night both blokes in their late teens or early twenties wkers.

[PoleDriver]

Perhaps 'responsible' citizens could be trained and certified to carry weapons in times of trouble? Weapons could even be issued to them in times of emergency!