Meanwhile in Poland

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Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Saturday 5th August 2017
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BlackLabel said:
If migrants are so ducking great why does Germany sorry the eu care? Why doesn't Germany take them all and reap the benefits and vibrancy.

Edited by Pesty on Saturday 5th August 12:57

grumbledoak

31,536 posts

233 months

Saturday 5th August 2017
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Go Poland!


dandarez

13,288 posts

283 months

Saturday 5th August 2017
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grumbledoak said:
Go Poland!
Go Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic!

efa biggrin

F the EU and their bully boy tactics.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

134 months

Saturday 5th August 2017
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grumbledoak said:
Go Poland!

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Is this the first ultimatum or have they issued others previously? Either way I doubt that it will be the last, they're totally toothless and walking an incredibly fine line

pim

2,344 posts

124 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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Working migrants came to the U.K.Many are leaving..

Regarding refugees entering the U.K very few in comparison with some other European Countries.

voyds9

8,488 posts

283 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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pim said:
Working migrants came to the U.K.Many are leaving..
I believe this is how it should be.

Productive members of society are welcome irrespective of their nationality. Add to my country I welcome you.

loafer123

15,445 posts

215 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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pim said:
Working migrants came to the U.K.Many are leaving..
Net migration from the EU is still high. Many are leaving (117,000 in 2016) but more are coming (250,000 in 2016).

The next set of figures will be interesting, but it has a long way to go before we get to a net reduction.


dandarez

13,288 posts

283 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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voyds9 said:
pim said:
Working migrants came to the U.K.Many are leaving..
I believe this is how it should be.

Productive members of society are welcome irrespective of their nationality. Add to my country I welcome you.
With correct vetting, agreed.
Sadly, that is not happening and the lowest of low scum get through and reside here at our expense.

Wonder how this one got his council flat in Oldbury, which WM police raided a fortnight ago?

http://www.france24.com/en/20170805-pole-detained-...

Nothingtoseehere

7,379 posts

154 months

Sunday 6th August 2017
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dandarez said:
With correct vetting, agreed.
Sadly, that is not happening and the lowest of low scum get through and reside here at our expense.

Wonder how this one got his council flat in Oldbury, which WM police raided a fortnight ago?

http://www.france24.com/en/20170805-pole-detained-...
If I go to Poland,would I get 'council' housing?
Are there any figures for British in EU 'council' housing?

Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Nothingtoseehere said:
dandarez said:
With correct vetting, agreed.
Sadly, that is not happening and the lowest of low scum get through and reside here at our expense.

Wonder how this one got his council flat in Oldbury, which WM police raided a fortnight ago?

http://www.france24.com/en/20170805-pole-detained-...
If I go to Poland,would I get 'council' housing?
Are there any figures for British in EU 'council' housing?
Unfortunately, one of the distortive effects of how EU rules work is each government is compelled to offer similar benefits to both it's own and EU citizens, but there does not need to be any reciprocal agreement.

Murph7355

37,737 posts

256 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Digga said:
Unfortunately, one of the distortive effects of how EU rules work is each government is compelled to offer similar benefits to both it's own and EU citizens, but there does not need to be any reciprocal agreement.
I'm sure in any other circumstances that sort of thing would be labelled "a race to the bottom"...

Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Murph7355 said:
Digga said:
Unfortunately, one of the distortive effects of how EU rules work is each government is compelled to offer similar benefits to both it's own and EU citizens, but there does not need to be any reciprocal agreement.
I'm sure in any other circumstances that sort of thing would be labelled "a race to the bottom"...
This and the remittance of both earnings and benefits from the top tier to the lower tier EU nations is both unsustainable and unwise in the current format IMHO. I'm not saying all remittance type arrangements are wrong (Auf Wiedersehen Pet etc.) but the system as it is is fraught with hazards, not least that emerging EU economies do not develop internal welfare systems but merely rely on 'borrowed' resource from other nations.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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dandarez said:
voyds9 said:
pim said:
Working migrants came to the U.K.Many are leaving..
I believe this is how it should be.

Productive members of society are welcome irrespective of their nationality. Add to my country I welcome you.
With correct vetting, agreed.
Sadly, that is not happening and the lowest of low scum get through and reside here at our expense.

Wonder how this one got his council flat in Oldbury, which WM police raided a fortnight ago?

http://www.france24.com/en/20170805-pole-detained-...
People who make statements such as "that is not happening" are perhaps unlikely to be influenced by evidence, but if you do some Googling you can find many reports from credible organisations that analyse the impacts of migration and conclude them to be positive.

You refer to one Polish man accused of a vile crime, and no doubt some Poles are criminals, but you omit to mention the many Poles working in jobs ranging from fruit picking to hedge funds. Are they all the lowest of low scum?

Murph7355

37,737 posts

256 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
People who make statements such as "that is not happening" are perhaps unlikely to be influenced by evidence, but if you do some Googling you can find many reports from credible organisations that analyse the impacts of migration and conclude them to be positive.

You refer to one Polish man accused of a vile crime, and no doubt some Poles are criminals, but you omit to mention the many Poles working in jobs ranging from fruit picking to hedge funds. Are they all the lowest of low scum?
I think that's what he means by vetting correctly.

Reports suggest net impacts are positive. But net figures can hide a multitude of sins. If (very big "if") we could vet differently to more fully favour the "positive" over the "negative", that would increase the positive impacts.

(The studies I saw had even the net impact as pretty marginal. Though personally I have no issue with the theory, having only ever been subject to the positive side).

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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The reality is that amongst any population from any source some will be scuzzy, but many and usually most tend to be un-scuzzy. The sort of rhetoric that fuels UKIP and its ilk disregards this tedious reality and shrieks about scuzzy.

Nothingtoseehere

7,379 posts

154 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
The reality is that amongst any population from any source some will be scuzzy, but many and usually most tend to be un-scuzzy. The sort of rhetoric that fuels UKIP and its ilk disregards this tedious reality and shrieks about scuzzy.
So as well as our own 'scuzzys' let in some more? I mean as long as we get some raspberries picked,who cares about the ones that get through.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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The EU debate, if you can dignify it with that title, has become dragged down into the raspberry bushes of immigration. There is so much more to the EU than the arrival of EU migrants, and focus on the relatively small negative impacts of a few crims moving around the EU (we export some of ours to Spain, IIRC) may distort analysis of relative benefits and downsides; but the discussion tends not to see the wood for the (plum) trees.

KrissKross

2,182 posts

101 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
that analyse the impacts of migration and conclude them to be positive.
1. You might be wrong, ever considered that.

2. I want a choice of who is allowed into my home, be they good or bad at tidying up.

3. People like you "telling me" who I should allow into my home is what makes people very angry, not that they are bad people for wanting a choice.


Murph7355

37,737 posts

256 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
The reality is that amongst any population from any source some will be scuzzy, but many and usually most tend to be un-scuzzy. The sort of rhetoric that fuels UKIP and its ilk disregards this tedious reality and shrieks about scuzzy.
Which, of course, isn't to say you shouldn't try to filter out the scuzzy.

We breed enough of that type ourselves. We should do everything we can to keep those from other nations (no matter where) out and to get rid once they show their true colours.