Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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amusingduck said:
avinalarf said:
The Orthodox Jews and Christians also believe that the Old Testament is literally the Word of God.
However the vast majority have succeeded in adjusting their lifestyle whilst observing their religion and do not practice the more extreme of the 613 commandments so to fit in with a more enlightened viewpoint that more reflects living in the 21st century.
I just can't understand how somebody could literally believe that a document is the word of God, then ignore the sections they disagree with. The arrogance is astounding. You know better than God?!However the vast majority have succeeded in adjusting their lifestyle whilst observing their religion and do not practice the more extreme of the 613 commandments so to fit in with a more enlightened viewpoint that more reflects living in the 21st century.
Matthew 5:48 states, "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
Luke 6:36 states, "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."
In Ephesians 5, they are told by Paul to "Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children".
The believer is also advised to follow the ways of Jesus, notably in 1 Corinthians 11:1: "Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ."
It seems clear enough. I have written the rules you must live by. You must follow these rules.
Are you really a believer if you discard the bits that are inconvenient? It all seems so futile.
I can't reconcile the two simultaneous positions of "This is the word of God. It must be observed." and "Except that one... and that..".
Maybe I'll never get it. Maybe you have to be religious to get it.
Many great minds over the centuries have tried to explain and interpret the Old Testament but it is only an interpretation and as such,will not really negate your scepticism.
del mar said:
avinalarf said:
We will only be helping the extremists by demonising all Muslims,tarring them all with the same brush.
Doing so will only encourage the Muslim "community" to close in on itself and allow the extremists to spread their medieval bile.
We do have a serious problem and it will need a strong,determined,intelligent response to go towards solving it.
There must be zero tolerance of extremist views and extremely harsh penalties whilst at the same time assuring the majority of peaceful Muslims that they are welcome to live amongst us whilst they fully respect our culture and sensibilities.
It will require the majority of Muslims and their religious leaders to become much more active in promoting integration into the "western" culture they have chosen to live in and to recognise that many of their religious/cultural customs are alien and increase division and cause resentment and fear.
Integration is a two way street and it can only succeed if the immigrants recognise this.
What is an extremist view though ?Doing so will only encourage the Muslim "community" to close in on itself and allow the extremists to spread their medieval bile.
We do have a serious problem and it will need a strong,determined,intelligent response to go towards solving it.
There must be zero tolerance of extremist views and extremely harsh penalties whilst at the same time assuring the majority of peaceful Muslims that they are welcome to live amongst us whilst they fully respect our culture and sensibilities.
It will require the majority of Muslims and their religious leaders to become much more active in promoting integration into the "western" culture they have chosen to live in and to recognise that many of their religious/cultural customs are alien and increase division and cause resentment and fear.
Integration is a two way street and it can only succeed if the immigrants recognise this.
skyrover said:
SpeckledJim said:
The same nasty stuff is in the Bible. We're just lucky that the overwhelming majority of Christians don't do Christianity properly. If they did, the murders and stonings would be literally everywhere.
Utter b
ksyou clearly have no understanding of Christianity
10 minutes?
Christianity and Islam are as bad as each other, it's just that Christians (generally, and fortunately) aren't as good at obeying their deity.
Ahbefive said:
SpeckledJim said:
it's just that Christians (generally, and fortunately) aren't as psychopathic and also their book doesn't tell them to kill the non-believers.............Unless one includes the Crusades that took place a while ago,or the Spanish Inquisition,that was also a while ago or what about that Hitler geezer and the Nazis ,they exterminated a fair few,that's not so long ago.....oh and there's the Serbians in ex-Yugoslavia.... [d/quote]
Ftfy
Ftfy.............Ftfy
Crusades? Hundreds of years ago? It appears that is how far behind the times these new fundimentalists are.
Hitler? Maybe you should read up on Hitler, he was not religious and would likely have taken out all the Churches had he won the war. He only ever claimed to be Christian to garner aupport but was very critical of it.
The Serbs, you may have a point there but really that was the act of very few whereas now we are seeing the acts of so many.
In short extreme religions are often very bad but currently one is really causing havoc.
Rastafarianism ftw.
Hitler? Maybe you should read up on Hitler, he was not religious and would likely have taken out all the Churches had he won the war. He only ever claimed to be Christian to garner aupport but was very critical of it.
The Serbs, you may have a point there but really that was the act of very few whereas now we are seeing the acts of so many.
In short extreme religions are often very bad but currently one is really causing havoc.
Rastafarianism ftw.
Ahbefive said:
Crusades? Hundreds of years ago? It appears that is how far behind the times these new fundimentalists are.
Hitler? Maybe you should read up on Hitler, he was not religious and would likely have taken out all the Churches had he won the war. He only ever claimed to be Christian to garner aupport but was very critical of it.
The Serbs, you may have a point there but really that was the act of very few whereas now we are seeing the acts of so many.
In short extreme religions are often very bad but currently one is really causing havoc.
Rastafarianism ftw.
I am searching my mind and have concluded that your craftily coded message alludes to the fact that a portion of the Followers of Islam aka Muslims are causing a little local difficulty.Hitler? Maybe you should read up on Hitler, he was not religious and would likely have taken out all the Churches had he won the war. He only ever claimed to be Christian to garner aupport but was very critical of it.
The Serbs, you may have a point there but really that was the act of very few whereas now we are seeing the acts of so many.
In short extreme religions are often very bad but currently one is really causing havoc.
Rastafarianism ftw.
Well I can't make you wrong there......it has been noted.
However my post was only to illustrate that man's inhumanity to man has no boundaries of religion or culture.
Lapsed Rastafarian currently Jedi Knight ftw.
Nanook said:
skyrover said:
Utter bks
you clearly have no understanding of Christianity
I thought his comment seemed fair, based on what I've read over the years.ksyou clearly have no understanding of Christianity
If he's wrong, please, enlighten us.
JESUS: "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34.
MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427
For more google...
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Looked up Deuteronomy 17:12.
An fascinating example as it's basically directed at so called "false prophets", or those who through history led Israel astray time after time.
Interestingly this was the law that the high priests used as justification to execute Jesus, thus in a roundabout way became the law which, if you have faith... led to the salvation of mankind.
An fascinating example as it's basically directed at so called "false prophets", or those who through history led Israel astray time after time.
Interestingly this was the law that the high priests used as justification to execute Jesus, thus in a roundabout way became the law which, if you have faith... led to the salvation of mankind.
FN2TypeR said:
Fat Fairy said:
jjlynn27 said:
Deuteronomy 17:12.
So, Old Testament and superseded by the New Testament then?FF
That is an incredibly binary position to take on the subject.
Do I say "Yes"?
Yes.
Yes.
You have been found guilty by the elders of the town of uttering the name of our Lord and so as a blasphemer you are to be stoned to death.
Look, I'd had a lovely supper and all I said to my wife was, "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah
Blasphemy! He's said it again.
Yes, he did.
Did you hear him?
Yes we did. Really.
Are there any women here today?
jjlynn27 said:
It's not 'superseded'.
'The Old is old, because there is Now a better Covenant.'"But now hath he [Jesus] obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away". Hebrews 8:6-10, 12-13
(King James Version)
FF
PS, I'm not a god botherer, but this looks like superseded to me. At the very least, new and improved.
Fat Fairy said:
jjlynn27 said:
It's not 'superseded'.
'The Old is old, because there is Now a better Covenant.'"But now hath he [Jesus] obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away". Hebrews 8:6?-?10?, ?12?-?13
(King James Version)
FF
PS, I'm not a god botherer, but this looks like superseded to me. At the very least, new and improved.
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