Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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ttypedia for anything is usually on a mission. Who owns it anyway?Murph7355 said:
Any odds on when she'll be able to form a government?
The greens backed down today on their manifesto pledge to shut all coal fired power stations and ban all ICE cars by 2030, the FDP backed down on some of their tax reforms, but still are insisting that the money transfer to the east as part of the funding package post unification is scrapped, so that was some progress but still issues. If that tax reform becomes policy expect the AFD to take even more seats next time round as the east gets poorer.The CSU sister party wanted a limit on refugees of 200K a year (even thats a massive number) but the Greens still want no limit.
So still rumbling along.
steveT350C said:
A Month of Islam and Multiculturalism in Germany: October 2017....
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11314/germany-i...
Interesting other headlines on that website....https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11314/germany-i...
"New York submits to Islam".
Doesn't seem a fruitloop website at all .
Countdown said:
steveT350C said:
A Month of Islam and Multiculturalism in Germany: October 2017....
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11314/germany-i...
Interesting other headlines on that website....https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11314/germany-i...
"New York submits to Islam".
Doesn't seem a fruitloop website at all .
Liokault said:
Countdown said:
steveT350C said:
A Month of Islam and Multiculturalism in Germany: October 2017....
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11314/germany-i...
Interesting other headlines on that website....https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11314/germany-i...
"New York submits to Islam".
Doesn't seem a fruitloop website at all .
If you check who's behind the 'institute' it's not really hard to see an agenda.
Then again, I can see why it might appeal to UKIP crackpots.
Interesting that Merkel has limited the number of Refugees to 200,000.
So if she is foolish enough to "throw the doors open again" and they receive 210,000, that would mean she would be declining to adhere to Germany's responsibilities under various UN conventions, although there is no punishment for doing so.
I have been told several times that if we did it we would lose our International Standing, people would stop trading with us and the country would become a more sh**** place.
Perhaps we should point that out to her ?
The German people must be terrified of the potential international backlash !
So if she is foolish enough to "throw the doors open again" and they receive 210,000, that would mean she would be declining to adhere to Germany's responsibilities under various UN conventions, although there is no punishment for doing so.
I have been told several times that if we did it we would lose our International Standing, people would stop trading with us and the country would become a more sh**** place.
Perhaps we should point that out to her ?
The German people must be terrified of the potential international backlash !
del mar said:
Interesting that Merkel has limited the number of Refugees to 200,000.
So if she is foolish enough to "throw the doors open again" and they receive 210,000, that would mean she would be declining to adhere to Germany's responsibilities under various UN conventions, although there is no punishment for doing so.
I have been told several times that if we did it we would lose our International Standing, people would stop trading with us and the country would become a more sh**** place.
Perhaps we should point that out to her ?
The German people must be terrified of the potential international backlash !
No, she and Seehofer have agreed to a guide number of 200,000...if there are exceptional circumstances then the number can be exceeded.So if she is foolish enough to "throw the doors open again" and they receive 210,000, that would mean she would be declining to adhere to Germany's responsibilities under various UN conventions, although there is no punishment for doing so.
I have been told several times that if we did it we would lose our International Standing, people would stop trading with us and the country would become a more sh**** place.
Perhaps we should point that out to her ?
The German people must be terrified of the potential international backlash !
It is political talk...it is a decision, but not a decision. Shuts up the critics and pleases the fans too...perfekt!
200,000 refugees is an enormous number to take annually. That's not 200k immigrants, that's refugees.
By comparison, in 2016 the UK received 30,603 applications and granted 8,466 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigra...
By comparison, in 2016 the UK received 30,603 applications and granted 8,466 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigra...
The second deadline this week has passed, the first was Thursday, second 6pm today. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/19/germ...
Its interesting what they are disagreeing on and how this country is supposed to be ahead of the UK, yet they are squabbling over the date to get rid of coal, something we are well on the way to removing and with such a small % of our power now by that source. No doubt this is an effect of them phasing out all nuclear by 2022, a decision Merkel made after the Japan accident.
They are also arguing about the rights for immigrants to bring their family to the country, something they are saying the UK should allow for all EU citizens in the UK.
Its interesting what they are disagreeing on and how this country is supposed to be ahead of the UK, yet they are squabbling over the date to get rid of coal, something we are well on the way to removing and with such a small % of our power now by that source. No doubt this is an effect of them phasing out all nuclear by 2022, a decision Merkel made after the Japan accident.
They are also arguing about the rights for immigrants to bring their family to the country, something they are saying the UK should allow for all EU citizens in the UK.
jsf said:
The second deadline this week has passed, the first was Thursday, second 6pm today. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/19/germ...
Its interesting what they are disagreeing on and how this country is supposed to be ahead of the UK, yet they are squabbling over the date to get rid of coal, something we are well on the way to removing and with such a small % of our power now by that source. No doubt this is an effect of them phasing out all nuclear by 2022, a decision Merkel made after the Japan accident.
They are also arguing about the rights for immigrants to bring their family to the country, something they are saying the UK should allow for all EU citizens in the UK.
We al know that Germany has a massive say in the future of the EU.Its interesting what they are disagreeing on and how this country is supposed to be ahead of the UK, yet they are squabbling over the date to get rid of coal, something we are well on the way to removing and with such a small % of our power now by that source. No doubt this is an effect of them phasing out all nuclear by 2022, a decision Merkel made after the Japan accident.
They are also arguing about the rights for immigrants to bring their family to the country, something they are saying the UK should allow for all EU citizens in the UK.
Lets assume AM gets a coalition together in the next few months, but she is seriously weakened on immigration. Will that actually affect Brexit? My gut says it might. If she has to make concessions at home, she will be willing to make serious concessions abroad.
Rich_W said:
We al know that Germany has a massive say in the future of the EU.
Lets assume AM gets a coalition together in the next few months, but she is seriously weakened on immigration. Will that actually affect Brexit? My gut says it might. If she has to make concessions at home, she will be willing to make serious concessions abroad.
That's a big assumption in the circumstances Rich.Lets assume AM gets a coalition together in the next few months, but she is seriously weakened on immigration. Will that actually affect Brexit? My gut says it might. If she has to make concessions at home, she will be willing to make serious concessions abroad.
If she does, i can't see much getting done in the next 4 years in Germany, when the crisis hits the Euro, potentially next year, i think its game over without a strong German government who can agree on the emergency response it will need. That could make Brexit a quickly forgotten exercise as the EU implodes.
What a great system to build you future around.
jsf said:
The second deadline this week has passed, the first was Thursday, second 6pm today. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/19/germ...
Its interesting what they are disagreeing on and how this country is supposed to be ahead of the UK, yet they are squabbling over the date to get rid of coal, something we are well on the way to removing and with such a small % of our power now by that source. No doubt this is an effect of them phasing out all nuclear by 2022, a decision Merkel made after the Japan accident.
They are also arguing about the rights for immigrants to bring their family to the country, something they are saying the UK should allow for all EU citizens in the UK.
The 200,000 figure I think was one that expected to be allowed to also reunite with family, so potentially would be more like 400,000 - that is likely a big sticking point as you mentioned.Its interesting what they are disagreeing on and how this country is supposed to be ahead of the UK, yet they are squabbling over the date to get rid of coal, something we are well on the way to removing and with such a small % of our power now by that source. No doubt this is an effect of them phasing out all nuclear by 2022, a decision Merkel made after the Japan accident.
They are also arguing about the rights for immigrants to bring their family to the country, something they are saying the UK should allow for all EU citizens in the UK.
TheLordJohn said:
Europe simply isn’t a serious continent anymore.
It is defo in permanent chaos.From bailing out bankrupt nations to countries leaving to independence fragmentation to shaky coalitions, the EU spends most of its time fighting fires or desperately trying to hold together the patchwork quilt.
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