Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
Discussion
Rich_W said:
In slight tangeant. After last years Berlin market attack. Concrete blocks have beenput down in certain places.
Gift wrapped so you don't feel alarmed
Still I'm sure it will help to address the effect rather than cause.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/21/six-syr...
They look better than the concrete blocks they’ve placed in Birmingham. I like it Gift wrapped so you don't feel alarmed
Still I'm sure it will help to address the effect rather than cause.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/21/six-syr...
StottyGTR said:
I hope they do this all over the place. God knows why they put such unsightly barriers in place in the UK when they could very easily turn a terrorist attack defence into a piece of art.
Pieces of art like that cost money and maintenance.If we were not broke, we could do away with s
t pop up Christmas markets full of tat 
hyphen said:
StottyGTR said:
I hope they do this all over the place. God knows why they put such unsightly barriers in place in the UK when they could very easily turn a terrorist attack defence into a piece of art.
Pieces of art like that cost money and maintenance.If we were not broke, we could do away with s
t pop up Christmas markets full of tat V8mate said:
It was a fireworkWobbegong said:
V8mate said:
It was a firework
Muntu said:
Wobbegong said:
V8mate said:
It was a firework
jsf said:
I'm confused, isn't that what she wants anyway?jsf said:
Thanks for the link.
digimeistter said:
jsf said:
I'm confused, isn't that what she wants anyway?digimeistter said:
jsf said:
I'm confused, isn't that what she wants anyway?Schultz is far more realistic about what that means for the rest of Europe. He sees the EU as a state in the making and puts that as important as Germany.
The German people think the reason they are booming is because they are brilliant and work harder than everyone else, the reality is they are selling goods at knockdown prices compared to the true cost if their currency was properly valued.
Merkels policies are whats causing the EU to have all the populist issues, because its killing the economies of the countries trapped in an overvalued currency for their economy.
It's a mess that's taken nearly 20 years to play out, i'm not sure its fixable now.
digimeistter said:
jsf said:
I'm confused, isn't that what she wants anyway?Electorally this would likely only increase the slide of the CDUs fortunes, voters would likely desert to the FDP and AFD.
JagLover said:
It may be what she wants, but the Christian democrats started out as a traditional centre-right party.
Electorally this would likely only increase the slide of the CDUs fortunes, voters would likely desert to the FDP and AFD.
As someome who has lived in Germany now for over 45 years.......Electorally this would likely only increase the slide of the CDUs fortunes, voters would likely desert to the FDP and AFD.
FDP have played their last tune, the EU-socialist fifth column under Schulz have lost all meaning, and through Angie's daft invitation to all the thieves, terrorists, and some real refugees, in the middle east, the CDU is also losing ground.
Most Germans are now afraid of the rise of the AFD, but support a lot of their thoughts (especially deporting all thieves, terrorists and criminals), but the SPD and Greens want to keep them here as a "humanitatian gesture"......... Even the mayor of Mannheim is asking for help as the (in this case) Maroccan, Dickensian thief groups, are all underage and exempt from the law, and he has no powers even to lock them up.......
An SPD/CDU coalition will be a toothless government and will only lead to more anti-politician feelings. This might well lead to a further rise in the AFD..... which nobody here really wants, however.....
The problem is the majority of the established parties are ignoring the AFD (at their peril) and have stuck their heads in the sand.
What they really should do is "keep your friends near, but your enemies even nearer!!".
An AFD partaking (or at least being acknowledged) however disagreeable, in a government or opposition, is the only way to draw their teeth......
jsf said:
Merkel wants all the benefits of a cheap currency and access to cheap labour without the true costs that should mean (fiscal transfers to the south being a big one).
Schultz is far more realistic about what that means for the rest of Europe. He sees the EU as a state in the making and puts that as important as Germany.
The German people think the reason they are booming is because they are brilliant and work harder than everyone else, the reality is they are selling goods at knockdown prices compared to the true cost if their currency was properly valued.
Merkels policies are whats causing the EU to have all the populist issues, because its killing the economies of the countries trapped in an overvalued currency for their economy.
It's a mess that's taken nearly 20 years to play out, i'm not sure its fixable now.
it is fixable, whether the fix is palatable to the german middle classes that have been reaping the rewards of this politically engineered position is another thing.Schultz is far more realistic about what that means for the rest of Europe. He sees the EU as a state in the making and puts that as important as Germany.
The German people think the reason they are booming is because they are brilliant and work harder than everyone else, the reality is they are selling goods at knockdown prices compared to the true cost if their currency was properly valued.
Merkels policies are whats causing the EU to have all the populist issues, because its killing the economies of the countries trapped in an overvalued currency for their economy.
It's a mess that's taken nearly 20 years to play out, i'm not sure its fixable now.
will indeed be interesting to see how this plays out with two such strongly opposed ideologies ,i can certainly see why schultz is taking an entrenched position ,he must if the eu project is to stay on track. at least he appears to have some principles and conviction ,even if i don't agree with his views i can respect that.
Such a shame the leaders of Europe, and the countries in it, have sacrificed the general well-being and quality of life of its’ citizens for the sake of pursuit of material wealth.
Still, we can all use our new found wealth to build 12 foot fences and electric gates to keep us feeling safe in our multi-cultural mess.
Still, we can all use our new found wealth to build 12 foot fences and electric gates to keep us feeling safe in our multi-cultural mess.
JMGS4 said:
As someome who has lived in Germany now for over 45 years.......
FDP have played their last tune, the EU-socialist fifth column under Schulz have lost all meaning, and through Angie's daft invitation to all the thieves, terrorists, and some real refugees, in the middle east, the CDU is also losing ground.
Most Germans are now afraid of the rise of the AFD, but support a lot of their thoughts (especially deporting all thieves, terrorists and criminals), but the SPD and Greens want to keep them here as a "humanitatian gesture"......... Even the mayor of Mannheim is asking for help as the (in this case) Maroccan, Dickensian thief groups, are all underage and exempt from the law, and he has no powers even to lock them up.......
An SPD/CDU coalition will be a toothless government and will only lead to more anti-politician feelings. This might well lead to a further rise in the AFD..... which nobody here really wants, however.....
The problem is the majority of the established parties are ignoring the AFD (at their peril) and have stuck their heads in the sand.
What they really should do is "keep your friends near, but your enemies even nearer!!".
An AFD partaking (or at least being acknowledged) however disagreeable, in a government or opposition, is the only way to draw their teeth......
How extreme are the general AFD? Are they UKIP type right or is it full on Nazi tattoos.FDP have played their last tune, the EU-socialist fifth column under Schulz have lost all meaning, and through Angie's daft invitation to all the thieves, terrorists, and some real refugees, in the middle east, the CDU is also losing ground.
Most Germans are now afraid of the rise of the AFD, but support a lot of their thoughts (especially deporting all thieves, terrorists and criminals), but the SPD and Greens want to keep them here as a "humanitatian gesture"......... Even the mayor of Mannheim is asking for help as the (in this case) Maroccan, Dickensian thief groups, are all underage and exempt from the law, and he has no powers even to lock them up.......
An SPD/CDU coalition will be a toothless government and will only lead to more anti-politician feelings. This might well lead to a further rise in the AFD..... which nobody here really wants, however.....
The problem is the majority of the established parties are ignoring the AFD (at their peril) and have stuck their heads in the sand.
What they really should do is "keep your friends near, but your enemies even nearer!!".
An AFD partaking (or at least being acknowledged) however disagreeable, in a government or opposition, is the only way to draw their teeth......
Also German police don't mess about do they, took on the extreme of the anti-facist movement today to allow an AFD convention.
bbc said:
With temperatures near freezing, Hanover police used water cannon, batons and pepper spray to clear a path for the 600 delegates.
One demonstrator's leg was broken after he chained himself to a barricade,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42209421One demonstrator's leg was broken after he chained himself to a barricade,
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