Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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JMGS4 said:
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An AFD partaking (or at least being acknowledged) however disagreeable, in a government or opposition, is the only way to draw their teeth......
The best way to disarm parties like the AFD, if disarming is really what is needed, is to address the fundamental concerns that are drawing people to them.An AFD partaking (or at least being acknowledged) however disagreeable, in a government or opposition, is the only way to draw their teeth......
Pretending to listen or let them play with the ball is not sufficient. Traditional parties need to realise this quickly and start acting upon it IMO.
hyphen said:
How extreme are the general AFD? Are they UKIP type right or is it full on Nazi tattoos.
Is it correct to think of UKIP as "right <wing>" at all?When their vote dissolved in this country as a result of the referendum, it looks like it went right and left in potentially equal measure.
JMGS4 said:
JagLover said:
It may be what she wants, but the Christian democrats started out as a traditional centre-right party.
Electorally this would likely only increase the slide of the CDUs fortunes, voters would likely desert to the FDP and AFD.
As someome who has lived in Germany now for over 45 years.......Electorally this would likely only increase the slide of the CDUs fortunes, voters would likely desert to the FDP and AFD.
FDP have played their last tune, the EU-socialist fifth column under Schulz have lost all meaning, and through Angie's daft invitation to all the thieves, terrorists, and some real refugees, in the middle east, the CDU is also losing ground.
Most Germans are now afraid of the rise of the AFD, but support a lot of their thoughts (especially deporting all thieves, terrorists and criminals), but the SPD and Greens want to keep them here as a "humanitatian gesture"......... Even the mayor of Mannheim is asking for help as the (in this case) Maroccan, Dickensian thief groups, are all underage and exempt from the law, and he has no powers even to lock them up.......
An SPD/CDU coalition will be a toothless government and will only lead to more anti-politician feelings. This might well lead to a further rise in the AFD..... which nobody here really wants, however.....
The problem is the majority of the established parties are ignoring the AFD (at their peril) and have stuck their heads in the sand.
What they really should do is "keep your friends near, but your enemies even nearer!!".
An AFD partaking (or at least being acknowledged) however disagreeable, in a government or opposition, is the only way to draw their teeth......
Murph7355 said:
The best way to disarm parties like the AFD, if disarming is really what is needed, is to address the fundamental concerns that are drawing people to them.
Pretending to listen or let them play with the ball is not sufficient. Traditional parties need to realise this quickly and start acting upon it IMO.
2 Good posts Pretending to listen or let them play with the ball is not sufficient. Traditional parties need to realise this quickly and start acting upon it IMO.
Also explains why a chunk of the UK population voted for Brexit/populism. When those in charge don't ever listen and tell you that you're wrong/racist/thick. It gets peoples backs up.
Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 3rd December 17:06
Muntu said:
Wobbegong said:
V8mate said:
It was a firework
hyphen said:
Good news for kitchen and bathroom fitters in Eritrea, Bangladesh Et al.BlackLabel said:
hyphen said:
Good news for kitchen and bathroom fitters in Eritrea, Bangladesh Et al.Just think when we leave the EU we will be able to get a one way flight have a good piss-up then just try and claim asylum. They pay for you flight home and you get a new kitchen win win.
Although when I tell them exactly what area I'm from, they may say its to inhumane to send me back and grant me asylum.
Although when I tell them exactly what area I'm from, they may say its to inhumane to send me back and grant me asylum.
hyphen said:
Given likely future costs they could increase that 20 fold and still have a very good deal for the taxpayer. Would have to have proper border security to stop any more coming in though of course. 
V8mate said:
jsf said:
That's pretty desperate stuff.
How is it? It's effectively British foreign policy reverse engineered: help people where they are, not by displacing them.
How is "invite them here, give them a few quid, and send them back" the same as "helping people where they are"?
amusingduck said:
V8mate said:
jsf said:
That's pretty desperate stuff.
How is it? It's effectively British foreign policy reverse engineered: help people where they are, not by displacing them.How is "invite them here, give them a few quid, and send them back" the same as "helping people where they are"?
They're unpicking their error and - at some cost now - trying to do the right thing.
V8mate said:
Hence my 'reverse engineered' comment. *sigh*
They're unpicking their error and - at some cost now - trying to do the right thing.
The "right thing" for them or the people being ejected?They're unpicking their error and - at some cost now - trying to do the right thing.
Ultimately the end result will be the same (or not judging by the uptake. I guess B&Q doesn't have many outlets in Benghazi or Aleppo), but the motivations are really quite different.
And this is the strongest nation in the EU... Imagine if May had done the same thing.
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