Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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Bluebarge said:
Smiler. said:
Anything against which you cannot find a coherent argument is labelled "racist".
Utter, utter balls. My post was addressed to v8250. If you cannot find any racist element in the frankly shocking garbage he has posted then you are clearly beyond redemption. Edited by Bluebarge on Tuesday 5th January 15:24
Not being a fully paid-up member of the offenderatti, I cannot.
The part you quoted:
"People, it is time to wake up to the fact that these immigrant types do not live to the same ethical and social standards as we do. The longer they are permitted entry into the EU the greater number of physical and sexual assaults."
What is wrong with expressing abhorrence at a 1000-strong gang of low-lifes descending upon the unsuspecting public & committing criminal offences? This, just the latest in a never-ending list of criminal acts carried out by the undesirable element of uncontrolled immigration? He's quite right in the observation that such types are not welcome, in the main, by sane people.
Your reply was typical of the response from the coiled offence-spring, dismiss the comment & shout "racist".
"Beyond redemption" - just listen to yourself.
HerrSchnell said:
FredClogs said:
I find it very hard to believe that an organised gang of over 1000 young men gathered and set out with the express purpose of copping a feel... No doubt it's a disgraceful way to behave but I have to wonder how much panic and hyperbole are in these reports and whether German women feel differently to an immigrant brushing up against them to your bog standard germanic type - cause if they do that's proper racist, we should have equal opportunity groping at drunken mass festivals, in my opinion.
Reports in the Telegraph and various German papers of women having their underwear torn off them, being bruised from where they have been groped by gangs of 5 or more at a time, penetration with fingers by groups, attempts at abductions and of one reported rape with more expected.If anything the BBC have downplayed the situation.
It's quite telling you have people that's first move always is not to respond the story, but to immediately move to taint anyone posting who doesn't look in agreement with your views, as per JJ's cock-up post and Bluebarge who has to mention Pegida and Nazi's in every post.
There does seem a cosy few who seem to take great comfort being able to do this so they can ignore any story.
There does seem a cosy few who seem to take great comfort being able to do this so they can ignore any story.
anonymous said:
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Context is everything.The original wording of "immigrant types" in this context refers to the reportedly "North African and Arab" perpetrators of widespread sexual assault in Cologne on new years eve.
The UN data refers to a country which links North Africa with the Middle East and also refers to Afghanistan, a country from whence a large number of recent immigrants originate.
Can you really not see the link between the 1000 or so "North African or Arab" men mauling women in Cologne and 99.3% of Egyptian women reporting they have suffered sexual assault at some point?
FredClogs said:
HerrSchnell said:
FredClogs said:
I find it very hard to believe that an organised gang of over 1000 young men gathered and set out with the express purpose of copping a feel... No doubt it's a disgraceful way to behave but I have to wonder how much panic and hyperbole are in these reports and whether German women feel differently to an immigrant brushing up against them to your bog standard germanic type - cause if they do that's proper racist, we should have equal opportunity groping at drunken mass festivals, in my opinion.
Reports in the Telegraph and various German papers of women having their underwear torn off them, being bruised from where they have been groped by gangs of 5 or more at a time, penetration with fingers by groups, attempts at abductions and of one reported rape with more expected.If anything the BBC have downplayed the situation.
My first thought on reading the BBC headline was pretty similar to yours, that it must be hyperbole. Unfortunately the more I read the worse it actually gets with similar incidents in other German cities also occurring on new years eve now surfacing.
FredClogs said:
HerrSchnell said:
FredClogs said:
I find it very hard to believe that an organised gang of over 1000 young men gathered and set out with the express purpose of copping a feel... No doubt it's a disgraceful way to behave but I have to wonder how much panic and hyperbole are in these reports and whether German women feel differently to an immigrant brushing up against them to your bog standard germanic type - cause if they do that's proper racist, we should have equal opportunity groping at drunken mass festivals, in my opinion.
Reports in the Telegraph and various German papers of women having their underwear torn off them, being bruised from where they have been groped by gangs of 5 or more at a time, penetration with fingers by groups, attempts at abductions and of one reported rape with more expected.If anything the BBC have downplayed the situation.
Western women are gaped at in the Middle East, and in a a leery way. Experienced in Jordan, Tunisia and Egypt.
Uncontrolled immigration - unpredictable results.
anonymous said:
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I actually laughed outloud at that!With respect to your second point; one tiny difference you may have overlooked:
The vast majority of East Germans absolutely craved what their countrymen and women in the West enjoyed on a daily basis. They were religiously and idealogically aligned. Not really the 3rd Feat of Hercules to make that work.
FourWheelDrift said:
jjlynn27 said:
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst during Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.
eta; better?
Not as shocking as being an "EU promoter of Green Energy "eta; better?
gruffalo said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046
Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.
I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
Maybe the nice immigrant men thought it was Rotherham station rather than Cologne?Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.
I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
benjj said:
anonymous said:
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I actually laughed outloud at that!With respect to your second point; one tiny difference you may have overlooked:
The vast majority of East Germans absolutely craved what their countrymen and women in the West enjoyed on a daily basis. They were religiously and idealogically aligned. Not really the 3rd Feat of Hercules to make that work.
t will quietly slip away now, after throwing around the R word, it makes him look intelligent and 'right on'.
anonymous said:
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In no particular order I started this thread to highlight the issue in Germany and also to state that I was glad we are restricting immigration as much as we are as well as to question if Merkel would consider this sort of behaviour and acceptable by product of what she had done with the unrestricted immigration.I did not mention the Berlin wall coming down or say that Germany would not be able to cope with reunification and to be frank it is not a real comparison is it the reunification of a land split for 50 years by politics compared to the integration of circa 1m foreign nationals with a very different cultural background and large language barriers.
I am in favour of helping people but not if it causes a detrimental effect on the helpers, I find, rather than making bold and sweeping changes like Germany has done it is better to test the effects first in a controlled way and then if all is well move forward a bit further hence why I am glad we are taking the approach our government has taken.
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