Is Britain Full?
Discussion
Semantics, but I have never done 70mph on a gridlocked road. You can't, by definition. Unless you're a biker with mega balls of steel I guess. Anyway.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pop-estimate/populat...
I was pondering this one earlier, and I was wondering if a yearly population increase of such a small percentage would be that big a deal if the infrastructure was in place (which I don't believe it is), also, would people have such a large gripe over the issue if the increase wasn't exacerbated by an influx of foreign nationals? (IE the increase was solely due to births outstripping deaths and migration was not a factor).
The roads can be chaos around here during rush hour, the layout is terrible though - the much discussed by pass is years late and the bridges into the city on the south side are poxy one lane either way jobs that cause horrendous bottle necks, t'was ever thus sadly.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pop-estimate/populat...
I was pondering this one earlier, and I was wondering if a yearly population increase of such a small percentage would be that big a deal if the infrastructure was in place (which I don't believe it is), also, would people have such a large gripe over the issue if the increase wasn't exacerbated by an influx of foreign nationals? (IE the increase was solely due to births outstripping deaths and migration was not a factor).
The roads can be chaos around here during rush hour, the layout is terrible though - the much discussed by pass is years late and the bridges into the city on the south side are poxy one lane either way jobs that cause horrendous bottle necks, t'was ever thus sadly.
powerstroke said:
No its full of people who are very affected by change , then there are the wealthy and the wealthy leftys that are insulated from these negatives by money ...
Don't think anyone is insulated from change. Change is constant and it affects everyone. Most people benefit from change; the country is much more socially liberal than it used to be, it is much more egalitarian, and give our take a small percentage in the last few years it is far wealthier than it has ever been. Immigrants area an easy target. Housing market is disfunctional? Blame immigration. Can't get the job I want? Blame immigration. Benefit bill too high/I want more dole money? Blame immigration. ATG said:
Don't think anyone is insulated from change. Change is constant and it affects everyone. Most people benefit from change; the country is much more socially liberal than it used to be, it is much more egalitarian, and give our take a small percentage in the last few years it is far wealthier than it has ever been. Immigrants area an easy target. Housing market is disfunctional? Blame immigration. Can't get the job I want? Blame immigration. Benefit bill too high/I want more dole money? Blame immigration.
Are you saying immigration doesn't have negative effects on those things when not controlled properly?
Axionknight said:
Semantics, but I have never done 70mph on a gridlocked road. You can't, by definition. Unless you're a biker with mega balls of steel .
Point spectacularly missed.Obviously one cannot do 70 mph if gridlocked. Free running / normal conditions vs gridlocked.
Not as extreme as MrGN example but I can get to Brum airport in 30 mins, more typically 40. At rush hour, which will have included spells at 70 mph btw , then anything less than 1h:20m is a major victory - 1:30 still good going. Record was 2:10 after clearing off at a junction and taking advantage of local backroad knowledge.
Is britian full land mass way no is britian full finically/infrastructure/schools/nhs/etc etc etc then yes.
The whole country cant be covered in tarmac and houses we need land to farm so we can feed people we need land for manufacturing we also need land to be left to nature to reduce flooding etc cover the whole uk in towns with no countryside where is all the water going to go.
In my home town of blackwood south wales and in fact most of wales outside the south east is pretty empty but go into mid wales by far and wide most of it is used for farming, Yes we could build houses on there but there simply isn't the demand for it, why would anyone go to somewhere without no jobs or infustructe around it. Also apart from the a470 most of mid wales is a ball ache to get anywhere quickly. It takes less time to get from Cardiff to London than Cardiff to top of north wales for example.
Do we need any more people in the country no considering unemployment is at 5% then we arnt short of workers.
The whole country cant be covered in tarmac and houses we need land to farm so we can feed people we need land for manufacturing we also need land to be left to nature to reduce flooding etc cover the whole uk in towns with no countryside where is all the water going to go.
In my home town of blackwood south wales and in fact most of wales outside the south east is pretty empty but go into mid wales by far and wide most of it is used for farming, Yes we could build houses on there but there simply isn't the demand for it, why would anyone go to somewhere without no jobs or infustructe around it. Also apart from the a470 most of mid wales is a ball ache to get anywhere quickly. It takes less time to get from Cardiff to London than Cardiff to top of north wales for example.
Do we need any more people in the country no considering unemployment is at 5% then we arnt short of workers.
MG CHRIS said:
Do we need any more people in the country no considering unemployment is at 5% then we arnt short of workers.
The trouble is that it gives a short term illusion of economic growth, which is probably why our government is so reluctant to clamp down.Of course, like any pyramid scheme, it'll end in disaster.
Potatoes said:
Britain is not full and it's politics is messed up
UK politics has been screwed for 30+ years. And Britain, the United Kingdom, is absolutely packed to the gunwails. There is no more room at the Inn, economically and socially...the excess population, the excessive number of people living within these tiny islands should have been controlled decades ago. The stresses placed upon infrastructure is beyond breaking point...successive Govt's have known this since the 1970's and any form of reparation has simply been to place sticking plaster over the cracks...the core issue has never been addressed, too high a population without economic planning to support population and immigration growth and the required service infrastructure. It's a never ending downward spiral unless stopped and effective economic policy put in place; simple socio-economics. The growing strength of EU policy during this time has had a damning effect on UK population and has not, in any way, helped.NHS at beyond breaking point
NHS failing with 25+ years of importing nursing staff to treat ever increasing patient numbers.
Schools hugely under funded, education levels failing year on year, UK education dumbed down circa' every 5 years
As above for higher education + too many taking so-called degree level education.
Railways at breaking point...Govt distract rail failings by focusing on unneeded HS2 type projects.
Roads...packed to near stationary levels, ever increasing population giving crazy volumes of cars on roads, ever expanding motorway network to ease congestion...which is never the answer.
Additional public transport continually failing, under used in many areas, over used in others and nigh on non-existent in the remaining areas.
London Underground beyond breaking point.
Local, Borough and Metropolitan Councils...services continually cut despite urgent needs of greater local/regional population levels.
Greater divide in the 'haves' and 'have nots'...this is always a consistent economic marker regarding population numbers. Limited resources driving living and housing costs disproportionately sky high...basic economics of supply and demand.
And the ultimate indicator of over population...Govt and personal debt at stratospheric levels with neither group being able to support primary social needs...
...For any doubters, the UK is full.
v8250 said:
UK politics has been screwed for 30+ years. And Britain, the United Kingdom, is absolutely packed to the gunwails. There is no more room at the Inn, economically and socially...the excess population, the excessive number of people living within these tiny islands should have been controlled decades ago. The stresses placed upon infrastructure is beyond breaking point...successive Govt's have known this since the 1970's and any form of reparation has simply been to place sticking plaster over the cracks...the core issue has never been addressed, too high a population without economic planning to support population and immigration growth and the required service infrastructure. It's a never ending downward spiral unless stopped and effective economic policy put in place; simple socio-economics. The growing strength of EU policy during this time has had a damning effect on UK population and has not, in any way, helped.
NHS at beyond breaking point
NHS failing with 25+ years of importing nursing staff to treat ever increasing patient numbers.
Schools hugely under funded, education levels failing year on year, UK education dumbed down circa' every 5 years
As above for higher education + too many taking so-called degree level education.
Railways at breaking point...Govt distract rail failings by focusing on unneeded HS2 type projects.
Roads...packed to near stationary levels, ever increasing population giving crazy volumes of cars on roads, ever expanding motorway network to ease congestion...which is never the answer.
Additional public transport continually failing, under used in many areas, over used in others and nigh on non-existent in the remaining areas.
London Underground beyond breaking point.
Local, Borough and Metropolitan Councils...services continually cut despite urgent needs of greater local/regional population levels.
Greater divide in the 'haves' and 'have nots'...this is always a consistent economic marker regarding population numbers. Limited resources driving living and housing costs disproportionately sky high...basic economics of supply and demand.
And the ultimate indicator of over population...Govt and personal debt at stratospheric levels with neither group being able to support primary social needs...
...For any doubters, the UK is full.
I agree with many of the issues raised but do not believe this s due to England being full. I instead point the knives firmly at the political space where personal agenda is prioritised over what's best for the population. The political landscape leads and nurtures a view that our country is full and is fNHS at beyond breaking point
NHS failing with 25+ years of importing nursing staff to treat ever increasing patient numbers.
Schools hugely under funded, education levels failing year on year, UK education dumbed down circa' every 5 years
As above for higher education + too many taking so-called degree level education.
Railways at breaking point...Govt distract rail failings by focusing on unneeded HS2 type projects.
Roads...packed to near stationary levels, ever increasing population giving crazy volumes of cars on roads, ever expanding motorway network to ease congestion...which is never the answer.
Additional public transport continually failing, under used in many areas, over used in others and nigh on non-existent in the remaining areas.
London Underground beyond breaking point.
Local, Borough and Metropolitan Councils...services continually cut despite urgent needs of greater local/regional population levels.
Greater divide in the 'haves' and 'have nots'...this is always a consistent economic marker regarding population numbers. Limited resources driving living and housing costs disproportionately sky high...basic economics of supply and demand.
And the ultimate indicator of over population...Govt and personal debt at stratospheric levels with neither group being able to support primary social needs...
...For any doubters, the UK is full.
ked. My view is it's neither, but the politics of our country over the last 30+ years is definitely fking it while convincing us it's someone else's fault.
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