Is Britain Full?
Discussion
Jockman said:
rscott said:
According to the BBC report, population of Aberdeen fell, so there's presumably some space there already...
Lol. Pesky oil industry and its turbulence !!!Trouble is if they miss the boat, and other countries get going first, England for instance, the window of opportunity will be lost.
It's certainly Scotland's only chance of ever being Independent.
But at the moment parading your climate change (aka global socialism) credentials is more important to some.
NEEP said:
Why Scotland?
is there a massive shortage of housing in Scotland, are Scottish Industries struggling to house their workforce and therefore unable to expand?
Why not?is there a massive shortage of housing in Scotland, are Scottish Industries struggling to house their workforce and therefore unable to expand?
There might not be a shortage, but given the high population density in England and especially the south east - should we be taking a wider view and look to actively expand or move businesses and industry into more sparsely populated areas of the UK (like the far north of England, Scotland and Wales).
Moonhawk said:
NEEP said:
Why Scotland?
is there a massive shortage of housing in Scotland, are Scottish Industries struggling to house their workforce and therefore unable to expand?
Why not?is there a massive shortage of housing in Scotland, are Scottish Industries struggling to house their workforce and therefore unable to expand?
There might not be a shortage, but given the high population density in England and especially the south east - should we be taking a wider view and look to actively expand or move businesses and industry into more sparsely populated areas of the UK (like the far north of England, Scotland and Wales).
had a bright idea and named it The Northern Powerhouse.It is not a matter of space, since it has been said that the entire population of the world could fit onto the Isle of Wight, it just wouldn't be very nice there, if that is what actually happened.
It is a matter of numbers relative to available resources, of which space would be just one element.
I grow tired of people whining, about overcrowded schools, roads jammed with traffic, an overstrained NHS. queues for GP appointments, lack of affordable housing, and yet go quiet when it is pointed out to them, that the population of the UK is rising at a rate never before seen in the UK
It is true that some of this is owing to people living longer, but in most cases those doing so, will have worked and contributed to the countries coffers over their lifetime, so they have earned their right to be here. How long do people believe it is possible to ram, an EU quart into a UK pint pot, let alone similar numbers also trying to get into the UK from outside the EU?
Looks like we might be headed for the Soylent Green scenario, (not just in this country) faster than many people think.
And for those who think that unlimited immigration into the UK is not a problem, put `your' money where `your' mouth is and please supply your name and address, so that the next 50 immigrants coming to the UK can be directed to your house to live with you, and at your expense, or do you expect others to foot the bill for your hopelessly naïve point of view?. Apparently Silly Lilly Allen, has taken in absolutely thousands of Calais immigrants to her expensive West London home on this basis...Oh wait!
It is a matter of numbers relative to available resources, of which space would be just one element.
I grow tired of people whining, about overcrowded schools, roads jammed with traffic, an overstrained NHS. queues for GP appointments, lack of affordable housing, and yet go quiet when it is pointed out to them, that the population of the UK is rising at a rate never before seen in the UK
It is true that some of this is owing to people living longer, but in most cases those doing so, will have worked and contributed to the countries coffers over their lifetime, so they have earned their right to be here. How long do people believe it is possible to ram, an EU quart into a UK pint pot, let alone similar numbers also trying to get into the UK from outside the EU?
Looks like we might be headed for the Soylent Green scenario, (not just in this country) faster than many people think.
And for those who think that unlimited immigration into the UK is not a problem, put `your' money where `your' mouth is and please supply your name and address, so that the next 50 immigrants coming to the UK can be directed to your house to live with you, and at your expense, or do you expect others to foot the bill for your hopelessly naïve point of view?. Apparently Silly Lilly Allen, has taken in absolutely thousands of Calais immigrants to her expensive West London home on this basis...Oh wait!
Moonhawk said:
...given the high population density in England and especially the south east...
The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.Mrr T said:
Moonhawk said:
...given the high population density in England and especially the south east...
The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.Problem is not everyone is in your world
If we are going to refer to space, 980 thousand UK nationals have moved into continental Europe in the last 10 years, whereas 3.5 million EU nationals (to say nothing of the similar numbers trying to get into the UK from the rest of the world) have crammed themselves into the UK in the last 10 years.
We therefore have a situation where just 980 thousand UK nationals have spread themselves into the 3.39 MILLION square miles of the EU countries, whilst in the same time 3.5 million EU nationals have spread themselves into the 98 THOUSAND square miles of the relatively tiny UK. Doesn't seem to compute does it? Or if it does, how long can this lop sided situation continue?
We therefore have a situation where just 980 thousand UK nationals have spread themselves into the 3.39 MILLION square miles of the EU countries, whilst in the same time 3.5 million EU nationals have spread themselves into the 98 THOUSAND square miles of the relatively tiny UK. Doesn't seem to compute does it? Or if it does, how long can this lop sided situation continue?
Mrr T said:
The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.
Would you be happy if those fields were built on to create a new "garden village", merging your town with the next?REALIST123 said:
Orchid1 said:
To be fair though;
Population of Canada - 36 million
Population of Australia - 24 million
Population of UK - 65 million
ie we have more people on this island than Canada and Australia combined.
Might as well throw NZ in there too........Population of Canada - 36 million
Population of Australia - 24 million
Population of UK - 65 million
ie we have more people on this island than Canada and Australia combined.
Here, in NZ, we have our own issues - on a smaller scale - but no less valid.
In 30 - 50 years time, the pressure will be much higher, everywhere - politics, religion,social issues generally, food production, waste management, energy needs...
The issues highlighted in this( & other ) thread(s) are not specific to any one country.
Glasgowrob said:
Country is nowhere near full,
we just need to spread people out more,
have a big push on remote working, get businesses to relocate out of London to other towns and cities.
The government could do more - how many elements of government are based in London when there is no reason to be based there - could save a fortune spreading operations out around the UKwe just need to spread people out more,
have a big push on remote working, get businesses to relocate out of London to other towns and cities.
wiggy001 said:
Would you be happy if those fields were built on to create a new "garden village", merging your town with the next?
Also a common feature of new developments round our way is that developments are built (often with hundreds of new houses in a single development) and there is no increase in road capacity at all. The country needs a definite focus on quality of life and part of that quality of life is being able to leave you house later than 7.15 in the morning without facing gridlock on the roads.
JagLover said:
wiggy001 said:
Would you be happy if those fields were built on to create a new "garden village", merging your town with the next?
Also a common feature of new developments round our way is that developments are built (often with hundreds of new houses in a single development) and there is no increase in road capacity at all. The country needs a definite focus on quality of life and part of that quality of life is being able to leave you house later than 7.15 in the morning without facing gridlock on the roads.
I fear this proposal won't go away because Seveoaks council have a quota to meet.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Jockman said:
rscott said:
According to the BBC report, population of Aberdeen fell, so there's presumably some space there already...
Lol. Pesky oil industry and its turbulence !!!Trouble is if they miss the boat, and other countries get going first, England for instance, the window of opportunity will be lost.
It's certainly Scotland's only chance of ever being Independent.
But at the moment parading your climate change (aka global socialism) credentials is more important to some.
Troubleatmill said:
Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.
Yup, plenty of room in the Australian outback, but hey have been sensible over the decades past. Having said that I don' t think the aboriginal people have been very pleased to see immigration levels rise of he decades! Not that they are racist or anything like it?Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.
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