Jacob Rees-Mogg
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
markh1973 said:
jonby said:
Thankfully for you, JRM won't judge you based on your background the way you have judged him because of his
Not unless you went to state school that is.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sta...
He was simply saying that he wanted intellectually able people, and if that meant a high proportion of those selected had been to Oxford or Cambridge so be it. Rather than take on people with other educational backgrounds simply for the sake of diversity but who might as well be potted plants.
He's posh, he comes from a wealthy family, he owns a business, he went to an elite school, he's old fashioned, he's eccentric.........he therefore must be a selfish parastic w
kerWhereas working class people should never be judged based on accent, background or education because they are all decent, salt of the earth, honest people taken advantage of by the rich tossers
chrispmartha said:
That doesn't paint a pleasant picture. The snobbish element. I don't care about his background, his accent, but the voting record does seem to show a disdain to those 'beneath' him.
jonby said:
Dr Jekyll said:
markh1973 said:
jonby said:
Thankfully for you, JRM won't judge you based on your background the way you have judged him because of his
Not unless you went to state school that is.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sta...
He was simply saying that he wanted intellectually able people, and if that meant a high proportion of those selected had been to Oxford or Cambridge so be it. Rather than take on people with other educational backgrounds simply for the sake of diversity but who might as well be potted plants.
He's posh, he comes from a wealthy family, he owns a business, he went to an elite school, he's old fashioned, he's eccentric.........he therefore must be a selfish parastic w
kerWhereas working class people should never be judged based on accent, background or education because they are all decent, salt of the earth, honest people taken advantage of by the rich tossers
chrispmartha said:
jonby said:
Dr Jekyll said:
markh1973 said:
jonby said:
Thankfully for you, JRM won't judge you based on your background the way you have judged him because of his
Not unless you went to state school that is.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sta...
He was simply saying that he wanted intellectually able people, and if that meant a high proportion of those selected had been to Oxford or Cambridge so be it. Rather than take on people with other educational backgrounds simply for the sake of diversity but who might as well be potted plants.
He's posh, he comes from a wealthy family, he owns a business, he went to an elite school, he's old fashioned, he's eccentric.........he therefore must be a selfish parastic w
kerWhereas working class people should never be judged based on accent, background or education because they are all decent, salt of the earth, honest people taken advantage of by the rich tossers
chrispmartha said:
So given his religious beliefs which accounts for his views on LGBT rights, where else do you think his voting warrants the judgement against him?Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
chrispmartha said:
That doesn't paint a pleasant picture. The snobbish element. I don't care about his background, his accent, but the voting record does seem to show a disdain to those 'beneath' him.
Boris and JRM would be corporate middle management at best if they'd been through the state system.
Pupp said:
No arguments on that, just offering an honest reaction in the context of the appointment... the HoC is supposed to represent commoners in the legislature; from my not exceptional perspective as a commoner, I cannot imagine someone less obviously suited to lead that representation.
I can think of plenty. The 2nd viscount Stansgate for one, he wasn't even a commoner.Talaus said:
chrispmartha said:
So given his religious beliefs which accounts for his views on LGBT rights, where else do you think his voting warrants the judgement against him?Consistently voted against equal gay rights
Consistently voted against smoking bans
Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
Voted against investigations into the Iraq war
Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
Almost always voted for increasing the rate of VAT
Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax
...
But as I say his views on abortion and LGBT rights are enough for me to make a judgement on him
chrispmartha said:
I don't give monkeys if it's because of his religion, him voting against LGBT rights is alone enough for me to form a judgement on him but including the LGBT stuff here are some more
Consistently voted against equal gay rights
Consistently voted against smoking bans
Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
Voted against investigations into the Iraq war
Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
Almost always voted for increasing the rate of VAT
Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax
...
But as I say his views on abortion and LGBT rights are enough for me to make a judgement on him
It's amazing anybody votes for him at all, yet he's a democratically elected MP. Consistently voted against equal gay rights
Consistently voted against smoking bans
Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
Voted against investigations into the Iraq war
Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
Almost always voted for increasing the rate of VAT
Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax
...
But as I say his views on abortion and LGBT rights are enough for me to make a judgement on him
chrispmartha said:
I don't give monkeys if it's because of his religion, him voting against LGBT rights is alone enough for me to form a judgement on him but including the LGBT stuff here are some more
Consistently voted against equal gay rights
Consistently voted against smoking bans
Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
Voted against investigations into the Iraq war
Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
Almost always voted for increasing the rate of VAT
Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax
...
But as I say his views on abortion and LGBT rights are enough for me to make a judgement on him
Moggy and Bercow should work well together thenConsistently voted against equal gay rights
Consistently voted against smoking bans
Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life
Voted against investigations into the Iraq war
Generally voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
Almost always voted for increasing the rate of VAT
Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax
...
But as I say his views on abortion and LGBT rights are enough for me to make a judgement on him
tangerine_sedge said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
chrispmartha said:
That doesn't paint a pleasant picture. The snobbish element. I don't care about his background, his accent, but the voting record does seem to show a disdain to those 'beneath' him.
Boris and JRM would be corporate middle management at best if they'd been through the state system.
Going back to JRM and all the posts about his voting record, this stemmed from his appointment to leader of the house, where his voting record has little relevance. Again, do people actually understand what that role entails ? I defy anyone to watch the youtube video I posted earlier of yesterday's performance and then say he isn't brilliantly suited to the job, no matter what your political persuasion.
Gadgetmac said:
The Surveyor said:
It's amazing anybody votes for him at all, yet he's a democratically elected MP.
So is Diane Abbot. What’s your point?She is an appalling performer in front of camera totally unsuited to being a front line politician, but she is far from stupid, however hard she seems to try convincing us otherwise in interviews. Incidentally I appreciate the poster above didn't say she is stupid
jonby said:
Following on from my post above about Boris and his scholarships, it's only fair to mention that Diane Abbot also went to Oxford, at a time when for a black woman, that was no mean feat
She is an appalling performer in front of camera totally unsuited to being a front line politician, but she is far from stupid, however hard she seems to try convincing us otherwise in interviews. Incidentally I appreciate the poster above didn't say she is stupid
She’s 65 and time has not been kind to her. I’m sure she was a very bright woman at some point but from what we’ve seen lately she has clearly suffered considerable mental degradation.She is an appalling performer in front of camera totally unsuited to being a front line politician, but she is far from stupid, however hard she seems to try convincing us otherwise in interviews. Incidentally I appreciate the poster above didn't say she is stupid
Why do politicians stick at it for so long? Most of the current crop of senior labour politicians are surely eligible to retire and live out their days drinking canned mojitos, tending to an allotment or ranting about Thatcher to hippies at Glasto.
jonby said:
Boris got a scholarship both to Eton and to read classics at Bailiol, Oxford. Meaning that firstly despite whatever anyone may say, he's very far from stupid and secondly, he didn't need money to step outside the state system
Eton? That's where the messes come from, isn't it?By the way, scholarships at Eton are worth up to 10% of the fees, which are at present some £40k per annum, so it is hardly a token of a superlative intellect overcoming an impoverished upbringing.
Roofless Toothless said:
jonby said:
Boris got a scholarship both to Eton and to read classics at Bailiol, Oxford. Meaning that firstly despite whatever anyone may say, he's very far from stupid and secondly, he didn't need money to step outside the state system
Eton? That's where the messes come from, isn't it?By the way, scholarships at Eton are worth up to 10% of the fees, which are at present some £40k per annum, so it is hardly a token of a superlative intellect overcoming an impoverished upbringing.
Dr Jekyll said:
A King's scholar (like Boris) gets an automatic 10% off, but they can get up to 100% off.
I think what you are describing is a Bursary.https://www.etoncollege.com/Scholarships.aspx
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