Jacob Rees-Mogg

[rovermorris999]

FredClogs said:

I don't agree with his politics, that's nothing to do with the fact he's a privileged, sanctimonious 50 year old Harry Potter look alike, I just don't agree with much of what he says - and I do listen. He's Euro sceptic, I'm not, he's a vocal supporter of zero hour contracts, I'm not, he opposed Gay marriage, I do not... Just because he talks with a received pronunciation (which is entirely an affectation) and has a "good education" doesn't mean he is right or his politics aren't the same old Tory dogma. Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.

You are Dave Spart AICMFP.

[BlackLabel]

He's articulate and very clever but I'm not sure why that makes him PM material. I mean other than a hedge fund for a few years what else has he managed?

Then again what did Cameron, Osborne et al manage/run before they entered parliament?

Another clever Tory MP who should have a bigger role than he currently has imo is Rory Stewart however again his looks will go against him. And a special mention for Dan Hannan who I think is wasted as an MEP.

[turbobloke]

rovermorris999 said:

FredClogs said:

I don't agree with his politics, that's nothing to do with the fact he's a privileged, sanctimonious 50 year old Harry Potter look alike, I just don't agree with much of what he says - and I do listen. He's Euro sceptic, I'm not, he's a vocal supporter of zero hour contracts, I'm not, he opposed Gay marriage, I do not... Just because he talks with a received pronunciation (which is entirely an affectation) and has a "good education" doesn't mean he is right or his politics aren't the same old Tory dogma. Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.

You are Dave Spart AICMFP.

Deflation strikes again, it used to be TP

[rs1952]

unrepentant said:

rs1952 said:

He comes across very much as an old-school High Tory in much the same way as, for example, Alex Douglas Hume did.

Presumably you're referring to Alec Douglas-Home?

Dandarez quite rightly picked me up on that on page 1, and also a Corbin/ Corbyn balls up.

My only defence is that it is GMT+2 where I am at the moment. That comment was posted at 2357 last night (my time) and I was as tired as a newt...

[crankedup]

turbobloke said:

FredClogs said:

privileged

sanctimonious

50 year old

Harry Potter look alike

talks with a received pronunciation

has a "good education"

Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.

And others can't look past a string of derogatory anachronistic class war drivel.

It's got to be better to have the country run by people with more rather than less education, more rather than less economic competence, with wisdom rather than naive misguided idealism, and who have a regard for people who pay the tax that's as healthy as their regard for those that it gets spent on.

This is why it'd better for the country with Labour out of office for some time. Not because one or two of their number speak with another type of accent or ride a bike rather than drive a Bentley but because in relative terms they're clueless and driven by outdated dogma with a track record of screwing the country's economy.

You overlook the importance of modern politics, the all embracing need to be able to 'take the electorate with you'. The best brains in the World are redundant if we are unable to identify with the public. However I do agree with your sentiment .

[turbobloke]

Rees-Mogg is taking some people somewhere as per comments on this thread.

Out of interest, where is Corbyn taking the electorate?

Given his nifty bike I'd suggest "for a ride" but the only person peddling is Corbyn and what he's peddling isn't taking anyone with him who wasn't already wheelie left-wing.

[handpaper]

irocfan said:

I rather suspect that half of these drooling SJW types were given the best possible start in life and are still societal rejects by their mid-20s and so their only recourse is to sneer - sad

EFA

[Murph7355]

FredClogs said:

I don't agree with his politics, that's nothing to do with the fact he's a privileged, sanctimonious 50 year old Harry Potter look alike, I just don't agree with much of what he says - and I do listen. He's Euro sceptic, I'm not, he's a vocal supporter of zero hour contracts, I'm not, he opposed Gay marriage, I do not... Just because he talks with a received pronunciation (which is entirely an affectation) and has a "good education" doesn't mean he is right or his politics aren't the same old Tory dogma. Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.

Quit the rhetoric and dogma and take apart his arguments on each of the items you cite.

Your view is typical - I don't agree with it so I'll stick my fingers in my ears and issue insults based on nothing more than the chips on my shoulder.

The piece that prompted me to post was about Google's taxes. As a simple example, do you think that the key aspect is maximising net receipts or fixation on a notional %age?

[Murph7355]

Digga said:

But really, people don't. In the same way as - and this I have exploited to my own benefit as a buyer - most people are incapable of looking past grotty decor and fittings to see the underlying value of the property they are viewing.

I have said this for ages and I'm sure I'm right. If you get out of the South East, or the city at the very least, then you will 'get' why people feel disenfranchised and hence how UKIP managed so many surprise votes (if not seats) last year. Whoever exploits that in the right way wins. End of discussion - see The Trump for reference.

I'm from the North. There are as many small minded, "disenfranchised" people in the South East as there are in the North. Quite possibly more.

The more politicians pander to that demographic the more people will move towards it. Scary prospect if you dwell on it.

Exploitation of the electorate sums it up. At the risk of getting all FredClogs, aren't politicians meant to work for the electorate, not exploit it...?

[crankedup]

turbobloke said:

Rees-Mogg is taking some people somewhere as per comments on this thread.

Out of interest, where is Corbyn taking the electorate?

Given his nifty bike I'd suggest "for a ride" but the only person peddling is Corbyn and what he's peddling isn't taking anyone with him who wasn't already wheelie left-wing.

Terrible state of UK politics at the moment, dreadful political European problems. Said many times over the years that without a strong credible opposition to our UK Government we are, as a Society, in a democratically weak place. With those major European questions looming the last thing we need is a one Party Nation.

[Murph7355]

crankedup said:

Terrible state of UK politics at the moment, dreadful political European problems. Said many times over the years that without a strong credible opposition to our UK Government we are, as a Society, in a democratically weak place. With those major European questions looming the last thing we need is a one Party Nation.

If there must be one, economically at least it's not Labour...

[FredClogs]

Murph7355 said:

FredClogs said:

I don't agree with his politics, that's nothing to do with the fact he's a privileged, sanctimonious 50 year old Harry Potter look alike, I just don't agree with much of what he says - and I do listen. He's Euro sceptic, I'm not, he's a vocal supporter of zero hour contracts, I'm not, he opposed Gay marriage, I do not... Just because he talks with a received pronunciation (which is entirely an affectation) and has a "good education" doesn't mean he is right or his politics aren't the same old Tory dogma. Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.

Quit the rhetoric and dogma and take apart his arguments on each of the items you cite.

Your view is typical - I don't agree with it so I'll stick my fingers in my ears and issue insults based on nothing more than the chips on my shoulder.

The piece that prompted me to post was about Google's taxes. As a simple example, do you think that the key aspect is maximising net receipts or fixation on a notional %age?

I didn't hear Jacob's interview on the Google tax, I have a sneaking suspicion it went along the lines of "Well if we keep asking these people to pay tax they'll just take their businesses elsewhere" or some such twaddle, what like France? Where it looks like Google are going to pay a tax settlement 3 times larger than the one they've been forced to pay in the UK, even though they do a much smaller slice of their business there?

The reality is that Jacob is little more than a lobbyist for a particularly old fashioned strand of British conservatism that believes in their religious doctrine deciding your personal morals and civil liberties, his corporate business friends and overlord's doctrine deciding your employment rights and a very weak economic ideology of allowing unfettered market capitalism to triumph over all common sense and collective purpose. The only reason he's Euro sceptic is because he knows that this, frankly very odd, set of beliefs and personal anachronisms can really only exist in this country, this is not something we should be proud of, it's something quite shameful. In a wider European political scene he quickly goes from being an outspoken juxtaposed talking head to satiate some of the more extreme views within British society to being a ridiculous laughing stock, but unlike Boris Johnston he doesn't have the self awareness, charm and sense of humour to sit comfortably with it.

And if that makes me a "class warrior" then quite frankly - whatever.

[v8250]

FredClogs said:

Far too much...

Oh dear. We'll take a guess...you're from the North of England, not very well traveled...and somewhat bitter with life?

Goodnight one and all...

[davepoth]

FredClogs said:

I didn't hear Jacob's interview on the Google tax, I have a sneaking suspicion it went along the lines of "Well if we keep asking these people to pay tax they'll just take their businesses elsewhere" or some such twaddle, what like France? Where it looks like Google are going to pay a tax settlement 3 times larger than the one they've been forced to pay in the UK, even though they do a much smaller slice of their business there?

That's an overly simplistic view of the situation. Google has thousands of good jobs in the UK which are not in France. Thousands of people paying a lot of income tax. Google is also a massive magnet for other tech companies, meaning that "Silicon Roundabout" is the best place to run an internet company in Europe (although obviously you pay tax in Dublin) Think of it as an indirect subsidy for having Google in the UK, and you'll work out that it's actually a bloody fantastic deal.

FredClogs said:

The reality is that Jacob is little more than a lobbyist for a particularly old fashioned strand of British conservatism that believes in their religious doctrine deciding your personal morals and civil liberties, his corporate business friends and overlord's doctrine deciding your employment rights and a very weak economic ideology of allowing unfettered market capitalism to triumph over all common sense and collective purpose.

You just described Tony Blair.

FredClogs said:

The only reason he's Euro sceptic is because he knows that this, frankly very odd, set of beliefs and personal anachronisms can really only exist in this country, this is not something we should be proud of, it's something quite shameful. In a wider European political scene he quickly goes from being an outspoken juxtaposed talking head to satiate some of the more extreme views within British society to being a ridiculous laughing stock, but unlike Boris Johnston he doesn't have the self awareness, charm and sense of humour to sit comfortably with it.

And if that makes me a "class warrior" then quite frankly - whatever.

Can you explain why you think that the freedom to express your beliefs and opinions is shameful? It seems to be in opposition to your previous paragraph.

[MarshPhantom]

Murph7355 said:

I'm from the North. There are as many small minded, "disenfranchised" people in the South East as there are in the North. Quite possibly more.

[Johnnytheboy]

FredClogs said:

Definitely the worst kind of imaginable.

Don't be so hard on yourself!

IroningMan said:

She stood in my constituency in 2010, using her full name, Annunziata, and lost to the Lib Dem incumbent, David Heath.

Somerton and Frome. I thought she was quite hot - even posher voice than her brother too. I corresponded with both her and David Heath pre-election. Her answer was succinct and supportive, his was waffly and non-committal, but then he does look like a 'LibDem by numbers' painting.

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FredClogs said:

Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.

Some people just shouldn't qualify for a vote.

[crankedup]

Murph7355 said:

crankedup said:

Terrible state of UK politics at the moment, dreadful political European problems. Said many times over the years that without a strong credible opposition to our UK Government we are, as a Society, in a democratically weak place. With those major European questions looming the last thing we need is a one Party Nation.

If there must be one, economically at least it's not Labour...

Being I am a moderate Lefti (pinkie) well Lib-Dem, I am inclined to agree, but we are in a precarious political state with all the National problems coming down the tracks.
So far as the economics are concerned couldn't agree more.

[brenflys777]

I don't always agree with Rees-Mogg, but when he argues a point it has always seemed to me that the argument fits one of the definitions of that action better than the other. An argument can be an exchange of different or opposing views in an emotive manner, or it can be a reasoned explanation supporting an idea, action or evaluation.

Matt Nunn's bigoted opinions make the emotive argument that Rees-Mogg is different, in looks, background and education to his own and is therefore unworthy. Matt judges people on looks, class, race etc..

Rees-Mogg makes a reasoned contribution to any discussion, so it's no wonder he upsets those who lack the skills to discuss or disagree without feeling themselves inadequate to the task.

[Murph7355]

MarshPhantom said:

Murph7355 said:

I'm from the North. There are as many small minded, "disenfranchised" people in the South East as there are in the North. Quite possibly more.

I should have added that I live in the South East (and previously abroad at various times)...so have seen enough in all quarters to feel able to comment.

(NB I exclude Scotland in my assertion by the way. Some very nice people in Scotland, and it's a beautiful country. But it appears to have cornered the global market in chippy fqers).