Jacob Rees-Mogg

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ElectricSoup said:

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Efbe said:

you know what would be completely horrendous, but ultimately fix their problems with lack of a strong leader and media coverage... a celebrity lib-dem leader!

Looked through the last elections lib Dem celebrity endorsements. There wasn’t really many. Best options appear to be Richard Dawkins, John Cleese and Hugh Grant.

I’d like Basil Fawlty in charge and Hugh Grant played PM in love actually. Richard Dawkins?

If I were senior in the LibDems, I'd be after Gary Lineker to stand as an MP.

He's certainly well versed in the hypocritical angles on tax. He'd fit right in

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Derek Smith said:

He's salting the battlefield. He'll be nice to everyone for a while and build up the image of a reformed man.

What is it with weirdos? The next election will be between Johnson, Mogg and Davis. Whoever wins the the championship will be up against Corbyn. Isn't there any normal people in politics?

As I think I may have noted earlier, one of the things I like about him is that he strikes me as believing what he says. And that he doesn't simply say stuff for the fun of it.

I wonder what the definition is of a weirdo Derek

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BlackLabel said:

JRM has been challenged, by a Cambridge academic, to a naked debate on Brexit. I don’t imagine many - except perhaps the Rees-Mogg family nanny - would look forward to that one.

Dr Victoria Bateman: Brexit protester challenges Jacob Rees-Mogg to naked debate after stripping off during Radio 4 interview

All these bright young things having naked debates...on the feckin radio.

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amusingduck said:

There's video on her website, fill yer boots

I haven't eaten yet - is it advisable?

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zygalski said:

I thought everything bad that happens was the fault of Blair & Brown?
I'm sure I keep reading that on a car forum somewhere or other...

Brown gets a share of stick - not sure it's a fair one just yet. Blair only about his war mongering and his avarice after leaving office (and his gormless wife).

It'll evidently take some time before those two get it properly.

Thatcher seems to be more derided by people who weren't even born at the time and/or seem to have an odd grasp of chronology and counting in general.

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jonby said:

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I do wonder how many people who criticize JRM have actually listened to him properly (rather than 1 minute soundbites or articles about him).
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Very few I suspect.

Most seem incapable of getting beyond his accent. Which says more of them than him. An unpleasant trait that seems more prevalent in this country these days.

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gregs656 said:

This is such an odd statement.

Why do his religious beliefs get a pass?

You'd need to ask his constituents.

One thing JRM doesn't seem to do is hide away his views. So his electorate are very clear what they are getting.

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Ian Geary said:

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Ok, I don't by 473ml of milk or beer, but surely jrm can be sensible about when to use metric, and when to use imperial.
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I should hope you don't in this country as you'd be being short changed. There are 568ml in an imperial pint (473 in a pesky US one).

But I agree with you totally.

I'm OK with either measurement system by dint of birth date, but metric is much more logical (though still think in miles, mpg and ft and in for height).

But if people are producing poor quality work then getting it checked and, if necessary, learning how to do it properly is exactly what should be done. Nobody should be complaining about it.

Good enough should not be good enough. And it's something I see all too frequently in the workplace.

In the past I've had the 80:20 rule quoted at me be quite senior people. Occasionally, when it's questioned, they stop and think whether their focus on this has resulted in 80% becoming the new 100%, and so what they're actually now getting is 64%....

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NoNeed said:

Any reasoned logic for pro-abortion?

I have yet to see any

You've never seen any reasoned logic why an abortion isn't sometimes the best course of action?

Not in cases of rape, for example? Or medical jeopardy?

Potentially gets a bit more grey if it's being used out of serial laziness or lack of protection through other means...but I'm not convinced that's a common enough occurrence to warrant being "anti" bearing in mind what women go through in the circumstances.

I'd go as far as to say there's less in the way of "reasoned logic" for being "anti".

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NoNeed said:

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I can assure you we don't have it right, and I have first-hand experience of seeing babies born alive at terms that abortions are happening.....

Like Chris, I thought, and mostly still do, that we have it right in this country.

Less than 24wks and an abortion can happen, 24 weeks or over and it cannot.

The most premature baby born in the UK was at 23 weeks. 1 day older than the world record from the quick read I've done. But with some pretty major complications and surgery needed.

So on the face of it the 24wk marker seems about right. Especially if more than one doctor needs to be consulted.

Maybe there's a case for dropping it by a week or more - I'd be cool with that as long as exceptions were possible...though I'm a bit torn on that front. Coldly I think we do much keeping people alive because we can rather than whether we should. But that's a different, much wider debate.

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Medical jeopardy is something I'm ok with if say it is required to save the mothers life.

Rape, as I said earlier, is a rare and extreme example to use in order to say all abortions are ok in case one or two is rape. There are things that can be done after rape like the morning after pill that prevents conception, you certainly would not have to wait till there is a bump, yet many abortion are carried out late term, some as late as 24 weeks where it's possible for the baby to survive.

I'm not convinced the morning after pill "prevents conception". Arguably it is potentially still terminating new "life"...

So to turn your question to Chris on its head (as we've both answered that one)...when do you consider it too late to consider an abortion? Literally from the moment sperm meets egg?

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inonthis said:

Exactly - he has EQ and IQ in abundance and is evidently very capable of rubbing remainers up the wrong way

This video demonstrates why he deserves his seat on the front bench. Watch Verhofstadt's body language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4w7W-rduZ8

I'm not sure that's JRM's finest hour tbh. Wandering off down the selective nature of the EU following its own rules wan't necessary and it would probably have been better to hold the questions on whether the EU would force harder infrastructure on the border where GV already contradicted himself.

bhstewie said:

If you flick anyone sufficiently out of their comfort zone you often see a different side to them.

https://youtu.be/DF3OQkWEyZA

Not James O'Brien's finest hour as he clearly lost his cool a little, but when it comes to not being comfortable with hard or persistent and detailed questioning Mogg's no different.

I'm afraid I struggled to get past how much of an obnoxious prat JOB is.

I cannot stand this sort of interviewer. They think they are the story and can make a point...3:30 in and JOB quickly realised he had no point.

Maitliss is very similar. Along with a number of others in the media. I don't see them as reporting on the news, they are trying to make it and steer it.

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mx5nut said:

Even the most dedicated Brexiter must have been embarrassed to hear JRM so out of his depth and resorting to childish insults in his panic this morning

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/ring-ree...

I know you've been off for a bit of school holidays, but this is being discussed on the other thread. Try to keep up.

Split view - was JRM rude or the caller a bit daft for going on unprepared and trying to poke an MP whilst being woefully unprepared?

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DeepEnd said:

Murph7355 said:

I know you've been off for a bit of school holidays, but this is being discussed on the other thread. Try to keep up.

Split view - was JRM rude or the caller a bit daft for going on unprepared and trying to poke an MP whilst being woefully unprepared?

The fact that JRM used the phrase remoaner shows ho shaken he was.

Was an absolute muppet. How dare he say “should try harder to mitigate”. What a complete See You Next Tuesday.

Nick tried to help Mogg, the daft gullible blighter.

The "remoaner" jibe was unnecessary. But as we discussed on the other thread, we interpreted different things from what we saw/heard.

Same on Nick - he asked for clarity. He gave time for it and got none.

The caller was skewered by his own question and unpreparedness.