A traffic officer killed on duty

A traffic officer killed on duty

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Friday 26th February 2016
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oyster said:
Given the hundreds of cars I see each week who pile on recklessly through red X's on the M25 I'm surprised there aren't more such horrible tragedies.

But I guess a few deaths are ok so long as these folks all get home in time for tea eh?
There's another angle to view. Signs are frequently unnecessary and this is bound to lead to drivers ignoring them.

Blakewater

4,311 posts

158 months

Friday 26th February 2016
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Digga said:
Blakewater said:
I know I keep going on about it but this is why I don't like the idea of smart motorways and the hard shoulder being taken away. If your disabled car can make it to a refuge area it can probably make it off the motorway but there will always be people who get stuck between refuge areas and can't carry on. It only takes one idiot to disregard a red X denoting a lane closure to pile into the back of the stationary vehicle.
I know what you're saying but having been stranded on a hard shoulder twice (most meorable being a blown turbo on an Isuzu Trooper which fogged-out both carriageways on the M42) I'm not really sure it's that much safer. These euro truckers, drifting along, watching telly/wking/on their phones/making a pot of coffee will regularly drift well onto the hard shoulder without any thought and the advice to GTF out of your vehicle is a very good one.

I personally think the camera system needs diverting from the easy but ultimately unproductive task of penalising minor speed infringements to actually capturing proof of driver inattentiveness and strongly prosecuting it.
I'm thinking about things like this.

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Friday 26th February 2016
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Blakewater said:
I'm thinking about things like this.

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news...
Is that a 24 hour hard shoulderless section?

I can't believe they've done this on the M1, north of Barnsley, four lanes and no hard shoulder, soon to be launched further south near Sheffield.

I guess it won't be very expensive to convert it to a conventional part time hard shouder/fourth lane.

Just takes a few more more deaths for the Highways Agency to sit up and take notice.

Whoever authorised this idiocy needs stringing up.

BossHogg

6,023 posts

179 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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We're Highways England, the agency ceased to exist on 1st April 2015.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Didn't know that, thanks..

We're Potholes England up here....

M3333

2,264 posts

215 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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speedyguy said:
Post incident bulletin
http://www.highways.gov.uk/traffic-information/tra...
Mandown46 said:
Its a damn shame, people just do not realise how dangerous the motorways can be.
Also worth remembering that the only HETO's killed or seriously injured at work have all been on the hard shoulder, not a safe place.
I couldn't believe my eyes travelling back past 37 to 38 yesterday eve to see an old couple in an Audi who had stopped and parked on the hard shoulder and had let their dog out on the grass bank by the motorway, just unreal, especially under the circumstances of the accident so recently. This was about 2 miles south of Tebay looking over Lowgill viaduct.

RIP.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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When HATOs are parked up at an incident, aren't they required to have a spotter constantly watching approaching traffic?

brenflys777

2,678 posts

178 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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Depressing to see the relative lack of coverage this has received compared to the dog that died on the A55.

Roads can be dangerous and the traffic officers deserve more recognition for the responsibility that they have, my thoughts are with their family and colleagues.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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mybrainhurts said:
When HATOs are parked up at an incident, aren't they required to have a spotter constantly watching approaching traffic?
The cheaper cost cutting newer model is for HETO's to be single crewed, go figure. Rather than 2 to rock up at an incident and clear it, 1 is now expected to rock up/assess and await backup when anything is live lane if I recall rightly, (I have been off road/out of customer ops a while now) the mindset of HETO has generally been to clear running lanes asap with 2 arms arms and 1 leg tied behind their back due to 'procedures' which are supposedly being relaxed (for the last 5 years) to allow more sensible working.

BossHogg

6,023 posts

179 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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mybrainhurts said:
When HATOs are parked up at an incident, aren't they required to have a spotter constantly watching approaching traffic?
They are, but eye witnesses say it happened so fast, no-one had time to react! Plus where the incident occurred, there was nowhere to go due to a rocky outcrop and barrier.

baldy1926

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2,136 posts

201 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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The sh*t driving on dashcam thread has footage of another hato who was very close to being killed on the 30/01/16. He was very lucky.

BossHogg

6,023 posts

179 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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There are a number of them out there!

BossHogg

6,023 posts

179 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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That car was the third car which had been hit on the hard shoulder in the North West in as many weeks. Another of my colleagues narrowly missed being hit by a car. They were standing behind a barrier when the car flipped and landed on the barrier feet from where they were stood! yikes

BossHogg

6,023 posts

179 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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baldy1926 said:
The sh*t driving on dashcam thread has footage of another hato who was very close to being killed on the 30/01/16. He was very lucky.
There is also this one taken from the onboard camera!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuVWdmYFno

BossHogg

6,023 posts

179 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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Its the funeral today, its going to be emotional. frown

oyster

12,613 posts

249 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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mybrainhurts said:
oyster said:
Given the hundreds of cars I see each week who pile on recklessly through red X's on the M25 I'm surprised there aren't more such horrible tragedies.

But I guess a few deaths are ok so long as these folks all get home in time for tea eh?
There's another angle to view. Signs are frequently unnecessary and this is bound to lead to drivers ignoring them.
It's an area that needs tightening but it's no excuse at all.

Ignoring a warning because the previous warning was unnecessary is very immature.

Digga

40,373 posts

284 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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Irrelevant or spurious signage and overly-cautious speed limits have reduced the legitimacy of a lot of traffic laws, sadly.

AN example; I was driving on the A422 from Banbury jct of M42 on way to Silverstone the other weekend. It used to be a NSL A road, but large sections have been dumbed-down to 50 limit. Now I am sure someone, somewhere will do doubt have a worthy reason for this, but that does not seem to wash with the general public, whose country it still, actually is. I was doing 50 and either had cars right up my arse or overtaking. I was even overtaken by a bloody fruit and veg van at one point. Oncoming cars didn't generally seem to be sticking to 50.

There were bits where the limit seemed a good idea but, on the whole, I could see why most people thought the law was an ass.

None of the above is to excuse ignoring speed limits or safety signs, but to highlight the very real dangers of their misuse. We've all seen matrix signs that cry wolf about approaching hazards which fail to materialise.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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oyster said:
mybrainhurts said:
oyster said:
Given the hundreds of cars I see each week who pile on recklessly through red X's on the M25 I'm surprised there aren't more such horrible tragedies.

But I guess a few deaths are ok so long as these folks all get home in time for tea eh?
There's another angle to view. Signs are frequently unnecessary and this is bound to lead to drivers ignoring them.
It's an area that needs tightening but it's no excuse at all.

Ignoring a warning because the previous warning was unnecessary is very immature.
No, it's not, it's human nature. Crying wolf time after time after time is never going to do anything other than cement the subliminal message that the signs are on in error or are malfunctioning.

I'm driving 50-80,000 miles a year and the huge number of false alarms never fails to amaze me.

BossHogg

6,023 posts

179 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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This time, the signs were set correctly for the incident, weather conditions and traffic, but one idiot thought they knew better and as a result my friend and colleague lost his life on duty! We had his funeral yesterday, it was very emotional seeing his wife and young son heartbroken. You lot carry on bickering about the signs, and I'll get on with doing my job.

brenflys777

2,678 posts

178 months

Saturday 12th March 2016
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BossHogg said:
This time, the signs were set correctly for the incident, weather conditions and traffic, but one idiot thought they knew better and as a result my friend and colleague lost his life on duty! We had his funeral yesterday, it was very emotional seeing his wife and young son heartbroken. You lot carry on bickering about the signs, and I'll get on with doing my job.
Tragic and senseless. It can't be easy going back to work after that, stay safe out there.