Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2
Discussion
legzr1 said:
BIANCO said:
Perhaps we should have a look at labours manifesto then. Lots of similar lies as you like to say in that. Promises of spending far more than £350 a week that independent analysis's said bulls
t to.
But that doesn't matter because they lost.
You've just had your arse comprehensively handed to you on a plate but, rather than a little humility, you try a little whataboutism?t to. But that doesn't matter because they lost.
Quaint...
Wasn't expecting any other sort of response to be honest. The £350m was THE talking point of the leave campaign and on their homepage (print at home posters!), but not one person cared about the point it was making when deciding to vote Leave apparently. Curious. p1stonhead said:
legzr1 said:
BIANCO said:
Perhaps we should have a look at labours manifesto then. Lots of similar lies as you like to say in that. Promises of spending far more than £350 a week that independent analysis's said bullst to.
But that doesn't matter because they lost.
You've just had your arse comprehensively handed to you on a plate but, rather than a little humility, you try a little whataboutism?t to. But that doesn't matter because they lost.
Quaint...
Wasn't expecting any other sort of response to be honest. The £350m was THE talking point of the leave campaign and on their homepage (print at home posters!), but not one person cared about the point it was making when deciding to vote Leave apparently. Curious. 
why people can't simply say - I voted 'such and such' but it's obvious now, just how much bullst BOTH sides peddled; is beyond me. I come by these threads just to watch these people wriggle! olimain said:
I can't say I've met a single person who voted Leave because of the bus! It's such a pathetic argument - I for one wish they'd never used the bloody thing with the amount of whinging it's generated!
It was done to death for a week before the referendum, people were in no doubt that the NHS wasn't getting the money when they voted, unless they spent that week under a rock in the outer hebrides.Cobnapint said:
Not blinkered at all. The £350 mill was a suggestion, an example, of something better the money could be put towards.
Let's go down the pub
Let's go shopping
Let's watch the telly
Let's.............it's a suggestion. If the bus had said '£350 mill a week extra WILL absolutely fking definitely go to the NHS' then the Leave side could properly be called out on it.
As it is, at the end of the negotiations there may actually BE more money available for the NHS, nobody knows yet. But one thing is for sure, it won't stop remoaners using this ONE single piece of flimsy evidence to try and say that voters were somehow hoodwinked into voting leave by what was written on the side of a bloody bus. They make themselves look even more pathetic every time they bring it up and forget that the rubbish that came from the remain side was overwhelming by comparison.
It's really funny watching you not being able to type; 'fLet's go down the pub
Let's go shopping
Let's watch the telly
Let's.............it's a suggestion. If the bus had said '£350 mill a week extra WILL absolutely f
king definitely go to the NHS' then the Leave side could properly be called out on it.As it is, at the end of the negotiations there may actually BE more money available for the NHS, nobody knows yet. But one thing is for sure, it won't stop remoaners using this ONE single piece of flimsy evidence to try and say that voters were somehow hoodwinked into voting leave by what was written on the side of a bloody bus. They make themselves look even more pathetic every time they bring it up and forget that the rubbish that came from the remain side was overwhelming by comparison.
k, I was wrong'. Are you actually that insecure?Jockman said:
jjlynn27 said:
audidoody said:
If you voted for LEAVE purely because of a politician's promise of £350m a week extra for the NHS then I have a bridge in London to sell you.
Most people voted LEAVE to restore executive control of our laws to Westminster
The £350m was a side show.
No, they didn't.Most people voted LEAVE to restore executive control of our laws to Westminster
The £350m was a side show.
Anyhow, when it comes to the reason for voting leave I tend to believe a guy who spent his own money doing research and funding the campaign. Banks was on record saying that, according to some big data outfit that he hired, immigration was, by far, the biggest reason for people voting leave. Which prompted financing that Farage's poster close to the vote.
jjlynn27 said:
Partly your fault, was in the middle of sorting logistics for Bodrum.
Anyhow, when it comes to the reason for voting leave I tend to believe a guy who spent his own money doing research and funding the campaign. Banks was on record saying that, according to some big data outfit that he hired, immigration was, by far, the biggest reason for people voting leave. Which prompted financing that Farage's poster close to the vote.
Interesting,and one which chimes with my own non scientific view on why people voted out. All that remains now is to explain how leaving will reduce immigration. Can't see that it will.Anyhow, when it comes to the reason for voting leave I tend to believe a guy who spent his own money doing research and funding the campaign. Banks was on record saying that, according to some big data outfit that he hired, immigration was, by far, the biggest reason for people voting leave. Which prompted financing that Farage's poster close to the vote.
jjlynn27 said:
Cobnapint said:
Not blinkered at all. The £350 mill was a suggestion, an example, of something better the money could be put towards.
Let's go down the pub
Let's go shopping
Let's watch the telly
Let's.............it's a suggestion. If the bus had said '£350 mill a week extra WILL absolutely fking definitely go to the NHS' then the Leave side could properly be called out on it.
As it is, at the end of the negotiations there may actually BE more money available for the NHS, nobody knows yet. But one thing is for sure, it won't stop remoaners using this ONE single piece of flimsy evidence to try and say that voters were somehow hoodwinked into voting leave by what was written on the side of a bloody bus. They make themselves look even more pathetic every time they bring it up and forget that the rubbish that came from the remain side was overwhelming by comparison.
It's really funny watching you not being able to type; 'fLet's go down the pub
Let's go shopping
Let's watch the telly
Let's.............it's a suggestion. If the bus had said '£350 mill a week extra WILL absolutely f
king definitely go to the NHS' then the Leave side could properly be called out on it.As it is, at the end of the negotiations there may actually BE more money available for the NHS, nobody knows yet. But one thing is for sure, it won't stop remoaners using this ONE single piece of flimsy evidence to try and say that voters were somehow hoodwinked into voting leave by what was written on the side of a bloody bus. They make themselves look even more pathetic every time they bring it up and forget that the rubbish that came from the remain side was overwhelming by comparison.
k, I was wrong'. Are you actually that insecure?Whether the NHS got 350 mill extra, or lost 350 mill was totally irrelevant to my vote, and if you think it was key to others then you need to get out a bit more.
p1stonhead said:
The £350m was THE talking point of the leave campaign
In your dreams it is. Funny how this is the only bit of succor to the bitter losers (and the PH branch of Momentum) . There are many reasons people voted out including sovereignty and immigration apart from being a net contributor to the project. Those who claim to know otherwise are deluded https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote...Edited by princealbert23 on Friday 23 June 19:23
princealbert23 said:
In your dreams it is. Funny how this is the only bit of succor to the bitter losers (and the PH branch of Momentum) . There are many reasons people voted out including sovereignty and immigration apart from being a net contributor to the project. Those who claim to know otherwise are deluded https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote...
In my dreams or on the voteleave homepage and twitter front page? Edited by princealbert23 on Friday 23 June 19:23
I never said everyone voted leave because of it I said it was the voteleave main slogan. Tell yourself it wasn't if you want. The facts of what the campaign focussed on are just that, facts.
The ONLY people who should be complaining about the £350M bus are those who voted LEAVE based on the slogan. I've not heard many of them. I've heard plenty of those who voted REMAIN complaining about a slogan that didn't sway them.
The time to ask the question about the £350M for the NHS is at the first election after we have left the EU. Ask which party will put £350M per week into the NHS instead of putting it somewhere else, or using it to cut taxes.
If one of the parties promises in their manifesto to put £350M per week into the NHS, you can vote for them.
The time to ask the question about the £350M for the NHS is at the first election after we have left the EU. Ask which party will put £350M per week into the NHS instead of putting it somewhere else, or using it to cut taxes.
If one of the parties promises in their manifesto to put £350M per week into the NHS, you can vote for them.
LDN said:
that £350 mil would / could go to the NHS
The issue in your self induced smugness is that it said "LET'S" NOT "We WOULD" or "We PROMISE"
Dictionaries are available if you need to compare and contrast these words
Funny how the only people that mention the bus are Remoaners...
I've never considered myself "mugged off" by the bus slogan. Leave voters aren't on the TV shouting "but they promised" (with Guardian/Daily Mirror sad face) Mainly because we understood it was a SUGGESTION.
Remoaners are literally the countries thickest. Not surprising really when you consider they voted to keep the same broken system. I get that a lot of people are risk averse, but if it's broken do you keep on doing it?
In a slight tangent. Why do none of the Remoaners ever look at Switzerland. Lovely place, successful, I believe ranks highly on "nice places to live and work" a wealthy workforce, their own currency. Manufacturers things, does financial services. Nice health services.
Not being in the EU doesn't seem to have hampered them. So why would it hamper us with our bigger population and higher GDP?
pingu393 said:
The ONLY people who should be complaining about the £350M bus are those who voted LEAVE based on the slogan. I've not heard many of them. I've heard plenty of those who voted REMAIN complaining about a slogan that didn't sway them.
The time to ask the question about the £350M for the NHS is at the first election after we have left the EU. Ask which party will put £350M per week into the NHS instead of putting it somewhere else, or using it to cut taxes.
If one of the parties promises in their manifesto to put £350M per week into the NHS, you can vote for them.
Neither the bus NOR the NHS even featured in my decision to vote leave. Sovereignty was number 2 but my overwhelming reason to vote leave was that I could see the EU becoming an immovable dictatorial behemoth. When Cam went requesting concessions I realised how utterly inflexible the EU is, and any governance MUST be flexible in its ability to counter the ever changing socio economic and changing political landscape. Being tied to that is fatal in the long term. The time to ask the question about the £350M for the NHS is at the first election after we have left the EU. Ask which party will put £350M per week into the NHS instead of putting it somewhere else, or using it to cut taxes.
If one of the parties promises in their manifesto to put £350M per week into the NHS, you can vote for them.
Sovereignty was number 2. The concept of a pan-european trading agreement is fantastic, along with free movement of labour etc. But any law that our parliament passes can be over ruled by the EU. The EU dictates the UK must impose VAT @5% on domestic fuel, so what other fiscal aspects do they control? The best way for Greece to recover is to devalue the currency and yet they cannot.
But apparently I didn't know what I was voting for...
For goodness' sake chaps. I avoid most EU threads because the conversations are too frequently unbearably distasteful. This isn't even primarily an EU thread. Can we keep the pathetic name calling down to a tolerable level, please?
Deep breath as I pop my head into the other threads on the front page...will I be surprised at the levels of debate or will it just be a succession of familiar names trying to outdo each other in displaying their unlikable online personalities? I wonder.
fk it. I'll just enjoy Elbow at Glastonbury instead.
Deep breath as I pop my head into the other threads on the front page...will I be surprised at the levels of debate or will it just be a succession of familiar names trying to outdo each other in displaying their unlikable online personalities? I wonder.
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k it. I'll just enjoy Elbow at Glastonbury instead.p1stonhead said:
Rich_W said:
LDN said:
that £350 mil would / could go to the NHS
Remoaners are literally the countries thickest
And even then there are many different types of intelligence, and academic aptitude is only one very narrow one.
And self-evidently, the remoaners' inability to understand the nuances of the £350m claim and not interpret it literally, still, after it being explained a million times, well it's plain to see who fell out the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.
The big red bus rage is a Remainer funny one. On one hand they have to try and pretend a cross party campaign group were going to somehow be in government and in control of the money no longer being paid into the EU, even thought most are smart enough to know this is not that case.
Then there is the anger that despite it being highly unlikely a £350m will ever be spent on the NHS, no one seems to give a toss or mention it, unlike Remain folk who can't stop mentioning it.
Even if some people did totally believe it, they haven't changed their mind, don't seem to care, probably were able to see it only served as an idea for basically having that money to spend elsewhere other than in EU payments and also have plenty of other reasons why they would still vote to leave even if this slogan had never come about.
Then there is the anger that despite it being highly unlikely a £350m will ever be spent on the NHS, no one seems to give a toss or mention it, unlike Remain folk who can't stop mentioning it.
Even if some people did totally believe it, they haven't changed their mind, don't seem to care, probably were able to see it only served as an idea for basically having that money to spend elsewhere other than in EU payments and also have plenty of other reasons why they would still vote to leave even if this slogan had never come about.
jjlynn27 said:
Partly your fault, was in the middle of sorting logistics for Bodrum.
Anyhow, when it comes to the reason for voting leave I tend to believe a guy who spent his own money doing research and funding the campaign. Banks was on record saying that, according to some big data outfit that he hired, immigration was, by far, the biggest reason for people voting leave. Which prompted financing that Farage's poster close to the vote.
I'm sticking with the Ashcroft polls post referendum analysis which portrays immigration as one of the decisive reasons rather than the foremost one. Hey, we're probably quibbling over a % or two. Anyhow, when it comes to the reason for voting leave I tend to believe a guy who spent his own money doing research and funding the campaign. Banks was on record saying that, according to some big data outfit that he hired, immigration was, by far, the biggest reason for people voting leave. Which prompted financing that Farage's poster close to the vote.
Get Bodrum booked - we're much further toward Syria in Kalkan ( still miles away). Lovely people.
Mr GrimNasty said:
p1stonhead said:
Rich_W said:
LDN said:
that £350 mil would / could go to the NHS
Remoaners are literally the countries thickestAnd even then there are many different types of intelligence, and academic aptitude is only one very narrow one.
And self-evidently, the remoaners' inability to understand the nuances of the £350m claim and not interpret it literally, still, after it being explained a million times, well it's plain to see who fell out the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.
p1stonhead said:
Rich_W said:
LDN said:
that £350 mil would / could go to the NHS
Remoaners are literally the countries thickestEdited by p1stonhead on Friday 23 June 21:13
The irony will be completely lost on him...
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