Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

[The Dangerous Elk]

alfie2244 said:

Are MEP's elected as Jazzy Jag states? I don't think they are.

ffs, just say what you are thinking

[alfie2244]

The Dangerous Elk said:

alfie2244 said:

Are MEP's elected as Jazzy Jag states? I don't think they are.

ffs, just say what you are thinking

ffs I just have......."I don't think they are"

[The Dangerous Elk]

alfie2244 said:

mikal83 said:

alfie2244 said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Trolleys Thank You said:

Comparing an ex chancellor of the exchequer and MP for over 40 years vs a talk show radio host who has failed at every attempt to get elected.

Michael Parkinson vs Alan Partridge

I think you will find that MEPs are elected

Unlike the higher echelons of the EU...

MEP's are not really elected as such are they?

Please explain in what way are they "not elected"

I asked a question not made a statement so please explain in what way the are elected?

[Trolleys Thank You]

Jazzy Jag said:

Trolleys Thank You said:

Comparing an ex chancellor of the exchequer and MP for over 40 years vs a talk show radio host who has failed at every attempt to get elected.

Michael Parkinson vs Alan Partridge

I think you will find that MEPs are elected

Unlike the higher echelons of the EU...

I assume you're referring to the civil servants in the commission who can only propose new rules in certain aspects of law. Right-o. Hardly the dictatorship you want to paint it out to be is it?

[Halb]

MEPs are elected.

Farage is a good speak (when he doesn't get too excited) and he is obviously able to squeeze in QT into his hectic schedule, a lot.
Clarke has had many decades to get his rank, as have they all really, the LDs with their few responsibilities obviously have a smaller pool to chose from and rank higher proportionally, Meng having 3rd place with only 30 years.

[mikal83]

alfie2244 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

alfie2244 said:

Are MEP's elected as Jazzy Jag states? I don't think they are.

ffs, just say what you are thinking

ffs I just have......."I don't think they are"

Why don't you think the are? Just come out with it, or are you just trolling!!!

[alfie2244]

mikal83 said:

alfie2244 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

alfie2244 said:

Are MEP's elected as Jazzy Jag states? I don't think they are.

ffs, just say what you are thinking

ffs I just have......."I don't think they are"

Why don't you think the are? Just come out with it, or are you just trolling!!!

Voters vote for the party not the individual person in EU elections............the party decide who actually fills that position...so IMO MEP's themselves as individuals are not elected..... no doubt you will now tell us why they are.

I would add that all you said was "I think you will find that MEPs are elected" without any explanation whatsoever

[The Dangerous Elk]

But you know who the person representing the party you vote for is.

In the first round of counting the party with the most votes wins a seat for the candidate at the top of its list.

In the second round the winning party's vote is divided by two, and whichever party comes out on top in the re-ordered results wins a seat for their top candidate.

The process repeats itself, with the original vote of the winning party in each round being divided by one plus their running total of MEPs, until all the seats for the region have been taken.

[alfie2244]

The Dangerous Elk said:

But you know who the person representing the party you vote for is.

In the first round of counting the party with the most votes wins a seat for the candidate at the top of its list.

In the second round the winning party's vote is divided by two, and whichever party comes out on top in the re-ordered results wins a seat for their top candidate.

The process repeats itself, with the original vote of the winning party in each round being divided by one plus their running total of MEPs, until all the seats for the region have been taken.

This is true.....but honestly how many knew the actual names on the list (representing the party) when they put their X in the box? I would say very, very few.......hence they voted for the party not the MEP themselves....in fact I doubt many even knew the name of their MEP's even after they were "elected" with the odd exception of course.

[pingu393]

alfie2244 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

But you know who the person representing the party you vote for is.

In the first round of counting the party with the most votes wins a seat for the candidate at the top of its list.

In the second round the winning party's vote is divided by two, and whichever party comes out on top in the re-ordered results wins a seat for their top candidate.

The process repeats itself, with the original vote of the winning party in each round being divided by one plus their running total of MEPs, until all the seats for the region have been taken.

This is true.....but honestly how many knew the actual names on the list (representing the party) when they put their X in the box? I would say very, very few.......hence they voted for the party not the MEP themselves....in fact I doubt many even knew the name of their MEP's even after they were "elected" with the odd exception of course.

No different to a normal Westminster election, then?

[The Dangerous Elk]

I didn't

[anonymous-user]

pingu393 said:

alfie2244 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

But you know who the person representing the party you vote for is.

In the first round of counting the party with the most votes wins a seat for the candidate at the top of its list.

In the second round the winning party's vote is divided by two, and whichever party comes out on top in the re-ordered results wins a seat for their top candidate.

The process repeats itself, with the original vote of the winning party in each round being divided by one plus their running total of MEPs, until all the seats for the region have been taken.

This is true.....but honestly how many knew the actual names on the list (representing the party) when they put their X in the box? I would say very, very few.......hence they voted for the party not the MEP themselves....in fact I doubt many even knew the name of their MEP's even after they were "elected" with the odd exception of course.

No different to a normal Westminster election, then?

In the UK parliamentary vote, you vote for the candidate, who has the party listed they are members of. Its the person you are electing. There is only 1 person per party per constituency. There is only one winner per constituency using the first past the post system, whoever has the most votes gets the seat, everyone else loses.

In the EU election, you vote for the Party, the potential MEP's from that party are listed by the party in order of their preference. You cant vote for the person directly, your prefered candidate from your prefered party may be too far down the list chosen by the party to get a seat.

The EU explanation of the process is written for a 5 year old who likes confectionery. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/you...

EU said:

llustrative example
If there are five parties contesting five seats in one region and the votes are cast as follows:

Smartie Party: 100 votes
Jelly Baby Party: 80 votes
Lollipop Party: 40 votes
Kit Kat Party: 20 votes
Aero Party: 10 votes

The first seat: the Smartie Party has the most votes so the first seat goes to it (the seat goes to the candidate at the top of the list of Smartie Party candidates, independent candidates being treated as a list with only one candidate on it).

The second seat: the number of votes for the Smartie Party is now divided by 2 (i.e. the number of seats the party has plus one) so the votes are now as shown below. The Jelly Baby Party now has the most votes so it gets the second seat (which goes to the person at the top of the list of Jelly Baby Party candidates).

Smartie Party now has (100 divided by 2) = 50 votes
Jelly Baby Party: 80 votes
Lollipop Party: 40 Votes
Kit Kat Party: 20 votes
Aero Party: 10 votes

The third seat: the number of votes for the Jelly Baby party is now divided by 2 (i.e. the number of seats the party now has plus one), so the votes are now as shown below. The third seat goes to the Smartie Party, which at 50 votes now has the highest number of votes. The seat goes to the second person on the Smartie Party list of candidates.

Smartie Party: 50 votes
Jelly Baby Party now has (80 divided 2) = 40 votes
Lollipop Party: 40 votes
Kit Kat Party: 20 votes
Aero Party: 10 votes

The fourth and fifth seats: the original number of votes for the Smartie Party is now divided by 3 (i.e. the number of seats it now has plus one). So now when it comes to allocating the fourth and the fifth seat, the Jelly Baby party and the Lollipop Party both have 40 votes and will be given the fourth and fifth seats. One seat goes to the second candidate on the Jelly Baby list and the other one to the first person on Lollipop Party candidate list.

Smartie Party has (100 divided by 3) = 33 votes
Jelly Baby Party: 40 votes
Lollipop Party: 40 votes
Kit Kat Party: 20 votes
Aero Party: 10 votes

The final result is:

Smartie Party: 2 seats
Jelly Baby Party: 2 seats
Lollipop Party: 1 seat
Kit Kat Party: 0 seats
Aero Party: 0 seat

[anonymous-user]

Gecko1978 said:

does Yeovil have a disproportionately large tranny population.

Also note DD called the speaker a man not a women....

I actually saw this last night.
It was like Mrs Doubtfire was alive and well

[wiggy001]

MartG said:

I'd hazard a guess that QT has had more Remainer panellists than it's had Leave supporters, so surely this is just redressing the balance?

When he was an member of UKIP you should compare the number of UKIP panellists with those from other parties (it's not UKIPs fault they had very few people capable of being panellists...).

For once an episode of QT that will be worth watching. I look forward to lefty remainers defending that Abbot creature...

[skahigh]

wiggy001 said:

MartG said:

I'd hazard a guess that QT has had more Remainer panellists than it's had Leave supporters, so surely this is just redressing the balance?

When he was an member of UKIP you should compare the number of UKIP panellists with those from other parties (it's not UKIPs fault they had very few people capable of being panellists...).

For once an episode of QT that will be worth watching. I look forward to lefty remainers defending that Abbot creature...

From a few weeks ago...

skahigh said:

I've been wondering for a while about the leave/remain split of panelists on QT as it almost always seems to be 3/2 in favour of remain.

Looks like someone's actually done the maths on this.

Click

[anonymous-user]

Happen me Lord Adonis can complain about the over representation of the SNP last year on QT.

Something which I note they have been toning down of late

[anonymous-user]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT.

DI will NOT be on QT this week. It's a major disappointment for the political heavyweights legion of fans, supporters and those who desire of her isn't a crime.

Instead the panel is this one

[jmorgan]

Ohhh, Mr Punchy. Not heard from him for a while.

[Yipper]

Zzz... Panel looks like yet another borefest of Brexit vs. Bremain going round in circles.

[The Dangerous Elk]

http://novaramedia.com/

LOL, wonder what angle she will take ? Is this one of those MOMENTUM fake accounts/ organisations ?

Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Thursday 22 February 09:07