Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

[The Dangerous Elk]

LoonyTunes said:

That's fine but there are many-many MP's you can say that about.

And lets not kid ourselves that there isn't outright hatred towards her on here.

Only you here seems to think there is some "comedy" factor in her being Womxn/Black.

I hate to tell you, it is not funny. I will admit to mocking a really stupid person. Honestly, we will all go silent if Ms Abbot just stopped proving it all the time.

[AshVX220]

LoonyTunes said:

That's fine but there are many-many MP's you can say that about.

And lets not kid ourselves that there isn't outright hatred towards her on here.

I think there's a massive difference between hatred and derision. She is utterly useless, thick as mince and would be out of her depth in a puddle. She gets most of the grief on here because of that. However, other MP's get stick on here to being thick, useless or whatever. She just gets more because she's thicker and more useless than the rest.

But I don't think it's actual hatred from most on here (maybe a few).

[WinstonWolf]

LoonyTunes said:

Melchett1905 said:

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Right wing Tories in 'I hate black female labour MP's' shocker.

LoonyTunes in "I have no argument, so your're a sexist racist" shocker.

Smiler in 'Lets carry on hating on Abbott more than every other Labour MP combined' shocker.

Who said they 'hated' her? I don't hate her. I just find her incompetent.

That's fine but there are many-many MP's you can say that about.

And lets not kid ourselves that there isn't outright hatred towards her on here.

Is she competent?

[chrispmartha]

WinstonWolf said:

LoonyTunes said:

Melchett1905 said:

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Right wing Tories in 'I hate black female labour MP's' shocker.

LoonyTunes in "I have no argument, so your're a sexist racist" shocker.

Smiler in 'Lets carry on hating on Abbott more than every other Labour MP combined' shocker.

Who said they 'hated' her? I don't hate her. I just find her incompetent.

That's fine but there are many-many MP's you can say that about.

And lets not kid ourselves that there isn't outright hatred towards her on here.

Is she competent?

Her constituents and her party must think so.

She comes out with some tripe but is she actually incompetent at her day to day job?

She’s managed it for over 30 years.

[WinstonWolf]

chrispmartha said:

WinstonWolf said:

LoonyTunes said:

Melchett1905 said:

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Right wing Tories in 'I hate black female labour MP's' shocker.

LoonyTunes in "I have no argument, so your're a sexist racist" shocker.

Smiler in 'Lets carry on hating on Abbott more than every other Labour MP combined' shocker.

Who said they 'hated' her? I don't hate her. I just find her incompetent.

That's fine but there are many-many MP's you can say that about.

And lets not kid ourselves that there isn't outright hatred towards her on here.

Is she competent?

Her constituents and her party must think so.

She comes out with some tripe but is she actually incompetent at ber day to day job?

She’s managed it for over 30 years.

How many years would she say she's done the job?

As a Troy I think she's bloody brilliant, she helps to make Labour unelectable

[oyster]

Pan Pan Pan said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

Did Leavers pay for the last one? ;-)

We all paid for the Remain leaflets posted through our doors.
£9 mill iirc. You want another, it's your round.
Ooops , time gentlemen please.

I don’t want another, the last 2 and half years have embarrassed us enough

Not a single UK citizen voted or was even given the chance to vote on whether or not they wanted the UK to be a member of the EU in the first place. Based on 40 plus years of actual experience of the EU the only vote the UK citizen has been given on the matter was in 2016, where the majority voted to leave.
After the first, and only vote the UK citizen has been given on the matter, we had legal challenges, delaying tactics, numerous debates in the HoC and Hol, marches, and demonstrations etc all trying to ignore, or overturn the results of the 2016 referendum.
Given that Camoron was a remainer, and stepped down because he did not get a remain vote he smugly expected,. the next prime minister `should' have been one who supported the Brexit point of view, not another pro remain MP.
May getting the job was the equivalent of a general election where the party that lost that election instead of going into the opposition, then proceeded to reinstate itself as the governing party, whilst (only) `saying' it would govern the way other party would had they been allowed to take control.. Not a very convincing set up..
What are remainers going to do if there was another referendum and leave wins that one too?
What would happen if remain won a second referendum, but only by the same margin that leave won the first one? would it be best of three?
If you think the UK has embarrassed itself over this matter, it is because `some' did not respect the democratic result of the 2016 vote, and have ever since, been using any means they can, to ignore over turn the first, the only, and the largest vote in UK political history. They are the ones making the UK a laughing stock and an embarrassment, in the eyes of the world.

Brexit was just one of many policies the Tory party were trying to implement from 2016 onwards. Whether the PM was a Brexiteer or a Remainer was totally irrelevant.

As to Teresa May and the comments you make where you seem to accuse her of derailing Brexit.
She won the leadership election. The Brexiteers all pulled out. Who else do you think should have led the party? Whoever you think it was - why didn't they stand? It wasn't May's fault.

[Smiler.]

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Right wing Tories in 'I hate black female labour MP's' shocker.

LoonyTunes in "I have no argument, so your're a sexist racist" shocker.

Smiler in 'Lets carry on hating on Abbott more than every other Labour MP combined' shocker.

On the contrary my narrow-minded, myopic friend.

There are plenty of Labour MPs I dislike due to their laziness & hypocrisy, along with others from different camps.

Some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, some are Klingon's.

Equally, there are some Labour MPs I like/liked (for the opposite reasons given above), some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, none are Klingon's

Abbott regularly demonstrates everything wrong with a politician.

"All white people are racist".

I can see her appeal to you though.

[Troubleatmill]

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Right wing Tories in 'I hate black female labour MP's' shocker.

LoonyTunes in "I have no argument, so your're a sexist racist" shocker.

Smiler in 'Lets carry on hating on Abbott more than every other Labour MP combined' shocker.

On the contrary my narrow-minded, myopic friend.

There are plenty of Labour MPs I detest due to their laziness & hypocrisy, along with others from different camps.

Some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, some are Klingon's.

Equally, there are some Labour MPs I like/liked (for the opposite reasons given above), some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, none are Klingon's

Abbott regularly demonstrates everything wrong with a politician.

"All white people are racist".

I can see her appeal to you though.

Fella - you are doing a half arsed job... at least have the gumption to do it right.

"Black mothers love their children more"

Labour policy is to close private schools -And Abbott criticised Blair and Harman for sending their kids private but - guess what - Diane's kid went to private school "so he wont end up in a gang"

She is the epitome of a hypocrite.

Lots of new policemen are going to work for free.

etc etc etc

[JagLover]

AshVX220 said:

I think there's a massive difference between hatred and derision. She is utterly useless, thick as mince and would be out of her depth in a puddle. She gets most of the grief on here because of that. However, other MP's get stick on here to being thick, useless or whatever. She just gets more because she's thicker and more useless than the rest.

But I don't think it's actual hatred from most on here (maybe a few).

That and the fact that Labour think she should be Home Secretary if they get into office.

Plenty of other thick MPs on the backbenchers.

[pingu393]

DA reminds me of a non-swimmer that has dived in the wrong end of the pool and has been pretending that they can swim.

Most flounder for a few minutes with a lot of splashing, then learn that if they relax, they can float, and if they float, they can swim.

She has been splashing around in a panic, making a lot of noise, and getting nowhere since 1987.

[NDA]

LoonyTunes said:

gooner1 said:

LoonyTunes said:

You could say that about 95% of the elected MP's.

So why have you not brought up their ethnicity?

Because they don't have volumes of threads on here about them. Or even receive a vastly disproportionate amount of stick on threads that aren't specifically about them.

It's fking boring and has a whiff about it.

Abbott is, as far as I know, the only barely functioning cretin in parliament. Her ethnicity has nothing to do with it. I am not sure why you'd play that card in your argument.

[LoonyTunes]

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Right wing Tories in 'I hate black female labour MP's' shocker.

LoonyTunes in "I have no argument, so your're a sexist racist" shocker.

Smiler in 'Lets carry on hating on Abbott more than every other Labour MP combined' shocker.

On the contrary my narrow-minded, myopic friend.

There are plenty of Labour MPs I dislike due to their laziness & hypocrisy, along with others from different camps.

Some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, some are Klingon's.

Equally, there are some Labour MPs I like/liked (for the opposite reasons given above), some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, none are Klingon's

Abbott regularly demonstrates everything wrong with a politician.

"All white people are racist".

I can see her appeal to you though.

And yet you still want to go on and on and on and on about her. One previous thread on her had to go off for a mod sabbatical for a while it was getting so out of hand.

You wouldn't mind but she has no power over us yet receives at least twice the hatred/vitriol the current incompetent PM and the rest of the Govt gets on here and they really have brought about a crisis in the country.

Like I say, to an outsider it's boring and has a whiff about it.

[98elise]

chrispmartha said:

otis criblecoblis said:

chrispmartha said:

Why do Brexiteers not want a second referendum

Edited by chrispmartha on Friday 18th January 00:56

They waited forty years for this one, which came on a manifesto pledge , got support at an election, voted for by an overwhelmingly pro EU HoC with a huge margin, was sold to everyone as being another once in a generation vote, the fact that no one on the remain side had a brain cell to insert a caveat for a second vote, there being no good reason demonstrated why there should be another , the fact it is so clearly bad loser / vote again until I get the result I want mentality , Remainers now want it rigged in their favour, the only party at the last election to want another crashed and burned ,or just maybe they were expecting to vote to be implemented before having to answer this question.

your missing my point, which i should have made clearer, I should have said why are brexiteeers so scared of a second referendum? I wouldn’t be if I was a brexiteer

Who says anyone is scared of a referendum?

We were told the terms of the last one, we voted, and now it's being implemented.

A new one isn't scary, Its just changing the rules when you don't get your way.

If remainers wanted multiple chances to get the right answer, then that should have been made part of the referendum process from the outset.

[gizlaroc]

chrispmartha said:

Well the insinuation was that she has held her position for over 30 years just because shes a black female, it’s certainly condescending at the very least

She has held that position for some reason, why do you think it is? I would think it is more to do with her doting on Corbyn over the years.

Do you think she would be a good Home Secretary for our country?

Looking at everyone in the Labour government do you think she is the best person for the job? Is she the best of the best in the Labour party?

[Smiler.]

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

LoonyTunes said:

Right wing Tories in 'I hate black female labour MP's' shocker.

LoonyTunes in "I have no argument, so your're a sexist racist" shocker.

Smiler in 'Lets carry on hating on Abbott more than every other Labour MP combined' shocker.

On the contrary my narrow-minded, myopic friend.

There are plenty of Labour MPs I dislike due to their laziness & hypocrisy, along with others from different camps.

Some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, some are Klingon's.

Equally, there are some Labour MPs I like/liked (for the opposite reasons given above), some are "of colour", some are female, some are male, none are Klingon's

Abbott regularly demonstrates everything wrong with a politician.

"All white people are racist".

I can see her appeal to you though.

And yet you still want to go on and on and on and on about her. One previous thread on her had to go off for a mod sabbatical for a while it was getting so out of hand.

You wouldn't mind but she has no power over us yet receives at least twice the hatred/vitriol the current incompetent PM and the rest of the Govt gets on here and they really have brought about a crisis in the country.

Like I say, to an outsider it's boring and has a whiff about it.

Like I say, I can see her appeal to you.

[LoonyTunes]

Smiler. said:

Like I say, I can see her appeal to you.

Equally I can see why you hate her

[NDA]

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

Like I say, I can see her appeal to you.

Equally I can see why you hate her

Because you've convinced yourself he's a racist?

People hate her because she is profoundly thick.

[Smiler.]

LoonyTunes said:

Smiler. said:

Like I say, I can see her appeal to you.

Equally I can see why you hate her

Your word, not mine.

Fairly typical of your kind of left though, what with the labelling and all.

Much more than a whiff.

[Northbloke]

So what did we think of QT then?

Fiona Bruce very good indeed. Knowledgeable, informed, quick on her feet and in control.

And either they've changed the audience selection method or Parliament is even more out of touch with the electorate than I thought.

Loved the spontaneous No Deal cheering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwk3YMSoMI8

[hidetheelephants]

ash73 said:

Willem Defoe was excellent.

Fiona Bruce too combative, imo.

Brexit dominating everything, collapse of £20Bn nuclear power project not even mentioned.

That's poor; we've had two and half years of brexit blah, there are other things happening in the country that need some screen time. UK energy policy is revealed as a bag of st again, time to recreate the CEGB and get on with it.

Not afraid of a 2nd ref, although I can see it would be pouring fuel on a blazing fire politically; more important that any repeat plebicite have a supplementary question about what the preferred option is to avoid a rerun of this st in 18 months time, with some succinct guidance for the ignorant on what the pros and cons of each option is. You know, all the st that CMD should have done the first time round but didn't because he was a slopey-shoulders half-a-job ahole.