Hillsborough Inquest
Discussion
There are two issues
The question of negligence/incompetence or criminal behaviour of the command team on the day
I doubt that a fair trial could be held considering the trial by media over the years ... and all the material put in the public domain by the previous trial and the inquiry
Secondly ... and far more serious is the alleged cover up, this I feel would be far easier to proceed on, and should take a more important place in the effect of trust in the establishment and British justice that it undermines
The question of negligence/incompetence or criminal behaviour of the command team on the day
I doubt that a fair trial could be held considering the trial by media over the years ... and all the material put in the public domain by the previous trial and the inquiry
Secondly ... and far more serious is the alleged cover up, this I feel would be far easier to proceed on, and should take a more important place in the effect of trust in the establishment and British justice that it undermines
poo at Paul's said:
Willy Nilly said:
I'm probably not the only one that is utterly sick of hearing about this and sick of the whining. I trust the people that turned up without tickets are also held to account. That is not to take anything away from the people that got killed.
What also annoys me hugely, is that this happened after Hysel, which was caused by Liverpool supporters fighting and had English clubs removed from European competition. I never hear You'll Never Walk Alone being sung by teary eyed Scousers on the 29th of May each year.
You know that 14 Liverpool fans were charges with manslaughter over Heysel, don't you? What also annoys me hugely, is that this happened after Hysel, which was caused by Liverpool supporters fighting and had English clubs removed from European competition. I never hear You'll Never Walk Alone being sung by teary eyed Scousers on the 29th of May each year.
There are enormous differences in the case, not least the parties apparently to blame, let alone what is alleged to have happened afterwards to try to deflect blame.
It is right that people will be called to account, IMHO.
Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
you are a clueless oaf and I am being kind. Its not about the Liverpool supporters but the death of 96 people who just went to a football match and failed to come home followed by a Cover up that lasted 27 years. Hopefully you will not have a member of your family die in these circumstances but if you do please come back and tell us its time to move on.desolate said:
Willy Nilly said:
I'm probably not the only one ...
You almost certainly aren't.All the others are ignorant pricks as well.
Willy Nilly said:
I was going to a lot of Alliance Premier game in the 1980's and even they could get scary when the league clubs came for a FA Cup match, they often felt like they were on the verge of kicking off. The issue with Hillsborough is that it has become socially unacceptable to question scousers, no one dare put their head above the parapet for fear of incurring the wrath of Merseyside. I have sympathy for the people that died, but not for Liverpool supporters.
start your own I hate Liverpool supporters thread then don't try to bring your petty nonsense to the subject of 96 innocent people's deathsDan_1981 said:
XCP said:
Unless the jurors have lived in caves since 1989, I can't see how Duckenfield can expect a fair trial.
Depending on who you get on the jury it could go either way. You only need a few Willy Nilly's on there for them to support Duckinfield.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
you are a clueless oaf and I am being kind. Its not about the Liverpool supporters but the death of 96 people who just went to a football match and failed to come home followed by a Cover up that lasted 27 years. Hopefully you will not have a member of your family die in these circumstances but if you do please come back and tell us its time to move on.Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
This thread has had 2 posts in 13 months - in what way does that constitute a constant noise?Willy Nilly said:
I was going to a lot of Alliance Premier game in the 1980's and even they could get scary when the league clubs came for a FA Cup match, they often felt like they were on the verge of kicking off. The issue with Hillsborough is that it has become socially unacceptable to question scousers, no one dare put their head above the parapet for fear of incurring the wrath of Merseyside. I have sympathy for the people that died, but not for Liverpool supporters.
40% of those who died were NOT from Merseyside.40% of those who died were children or teenagers.
This has nothing to do with scouser bashing.
Avoiding the constant noise about the Hillsborough tragedy must be one of the simplest things in life to achieve. Educating oneself on the matter appears to be troublesome for many.
I get annoyed by the Hillsborough threads on here too but I suspect for reasons different to Willy Nilly.
Happy to see some of those responsible for some of the awfulness surrounding this saga are finally being brought before the Courts.
I get annoyed by the Hillsborough threads on here too but I suspect for reasons different to Willy Nilly.
Happy to see some of those responsible for some of the awfulness surrounding this saga are finally being brought before the Courts.
Willy Nilly said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
you are a clueless oaf and I am being kind. Its not about the Liverpool supporters but the death of 96 people who just went to a football match and failed to come home followed by a Cover up that lasted 27 years. Hopefully you will not have a member of your family die in these circumstances but if you do please come back and tell us its time to move on.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35...
Please stop trying to pollute the thread and peoples views with comparisons to Heysel.
Willy Nilly said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
you are a clueless oaf and I am being kind. Its not about the Liverpool supporters but the death of 96 people who just went to a football match and failed to come home followed by a Cover up that lasted 27 years. Hopefully you will not have a member of your family die in these circumstances but if you do please come back and tell us its time to move on.Willy Nilly said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
you are a clueless oaf and I am being kind. Its not about the Liverpool supporters but the death of 96 people who just went to a football match and failed to come home followed by a Cover up that lasted 27 years. Hopefully you will not have a member of your family die in these circumstances but if you do please come back and tell us its time to move on.Off topic, but for those that are old enough to remember, there was the beginnings of a cover up over Heysel, but it never really got off the ground.
In the days following that disaster, the then Liverpool chairman John Smith asserted that Liverpool fans were blameless and the fighting had involved Chelsea supporters, who had travelled to Belgium simply to cause mayhem. Seemed a reasonable theory, given Chelsea supporters regularly did cause mayhem at the time.
But unfortunately for him, as the arrests were made, and all those arrested were Liverpool fans, the cover up was exposed for what it was.
When asked later where he'd got his incorrect intel from, he refused to comment. My guess is that he just panicked and lied.
In the days following that disaster, the then Liverpool chairman John Smith asserted that Liverpool fans were blameless and the fighting had involved Chelsea supporters, who had travelled to Belgium simply to cause mayhem. Seemed a reasonable theory, given Chelsea supporters regularly did cause mayhem at the time.
But unfortunately for him, as the arrests were made, and all those arrested were Liverpool fans, the cover up was exposed for what it was.
When asked later where he'd got his incorrect intel from, he refused to comment. My guess is that he just panicked and lied.
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