Hillsborough Inquest
Discussion
Bigends said:
Willy Nilly said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
you are a clueless oaf and I am being kind. Its not about the Liverpool supporters but the death of 96 people who just went to a football match and failed to come home followed by a Cover up that lasted 27 years. Hopefully you will not have a member of your family die in these circumstances but if you do please come back and tell us its time to move on.Without the cages and barriers, there would have been no Hillsborogh tragedy.
96 cricket fans never died at a match.
96 rugby fans never died at a match.
96 football fans paid the price for the bad decisions made by the authorities to address violence at football matches.
TTmonkey said:
IF any football supporters carry blame, it's those that caused the need for the fences and cages that were erected that should look back with shame. The rioting thugs that went to football matches not for sport but for semi organised agro and violence. Men now grown into middle and early old age of lives that as young men caused mayhem at football matches. They need to look back and realise that they have the deaths of fans on their hands.
Without the cages and barriers, there would have been no Hillsborogh tragedy.
96 cricket fans never died at a match.
96 rugby fans never died at a match.
96 football fans paid the price for the bad decisions made by the authorities to address violence at football matches.
Don't cloud the issue with facts.Without the cages and barriers, there would have been no Hillsborogh tragedy.
96 cricket fans never died at a match.
96 rugby fans never died at a match.
96 football fans paid the price for the bad decisions made by the authorities to address violence at football matches.
Willy Nilly said:
It's very much about Liverpool supporters, they were the only ones involved, they were the ones that ultimately caused English clubs to be removed from European competition. Again, I am not blaming the people that died, I would like some responsibility being taken publicly by the supporters who were there on the day, it wasn't just bad crowd management.
you are either a thick 
or are deliberately trolling.Why do you think prosecutions are now taking place and non of them are against the supporters. Jeez with all the evidence supporting the claim of mis management and cover up we still have to put up with this s
t.TTmonkey said:
IF any football supporters carry blame, it's those that caused the need for the fences and cages that were erected that should look back with shame. The rioting thugs that went to football matches not for sport but for semi organised agro and violence. Men now grown into middle and early old age of lives that as young men caused mayhem at football matches. They need to look back and realise that they have the deaths of fans on their hands.
Without the cages and barriers, there would have been no Hillsborogh tragedy.
96 cricket fans never died at a match.
96 rugby fans never died at a match.
96 football fans paid the price for the bad decisions made by the authorities to address violence at football matches.
Possibly correct, but there was a tragedy.Without the cages and barriers, there would have been no Hillsborogh tragedy.
96 cricket fans never died at a match.
96 rugby fans never died at a match.
96 football fans paid the price for the bad decisions made by the authorities to address violence at football matches.
And there very much was a massive attempted cover up.
It's rare that I have to do it but I do implore people that if they think a poster's remarks are out of order, hit the report button and explain your position to the moderators.
I'm no Liverpool supporter (in fact I could be considered to be the complete opposite of one even if the shirt colour is the same) but the perpetual ignorance of people still trying to blame Liverpool supporters for the tragedy, either directly or indirectly deserves no place in discussions since the inquest.
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of those who haven't researched the subject fully, the supporters were not to blame for the disaster as found by the official inquiry. No matter what you think, what some bloke down the pub told you or what was published in the media in the aftermath or intervening years. They were innocent. Anything else is a lie.
People continuing to further these lies have nothing but ill feeling to add to the discussion. For what reason I don't know? All I do know is it must be incredibly upsetting for a family member to continue to see that the lies spread about their deceased relatives are still repeated by the uneducated today.
I'm no Liverpool supporter (in fact I could be considered to be the complete opposite of one even if the shirt colour is the same) but the perpetual ignorance of people still trying to blame Liverpool supporters for the tragedy, either directly or indirectly deserves no place in discussions since the inquest.
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of those who haven't researched the subject fully, the supporters were not to blame for the disaster as found by the official inquiry. No matter what you think, what some bloke down the pub told you or what was published in the media in the aftermath or intervening years. They were innocent. Anything else is a lie.
People continuing to further these lies have nothing but ill feeling to add to the discussion. For what reason I don't know? All I do know is it must be incredibly upsetting for a family member to continue to see that the lies spread about their deceased relatives are still repeated by the uneducated today.
Willy Nilly said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Willy Nilly said:
People should be held to account and I know people were prosecuted over Hysel, but to listen to the constant noise about Hillsborough, it's as though everyone attending were saints. The people killed were blameless, but the crowd quite clearly wasn't. It may be time to move on.
you are a clueless oaf and I am being kind. Its not about the Liverpool supporters but the death of 96 people who just went to a football match and failed to come home followed by a Cover up that lasted 27 years. Hopefully you will not have a member of your family die in these circumstances but if you do please come back and tell us its time to move on.k me, shut up man. Haven't you got some horse st to go and shovel, or doe you just talk it? . Why you think you know more than the collective wisdom of the judiciary, CPS, public enquiry etc that have decided to proceed to trial now after all these years, I don't know. But I'd wager that compared to them, you're thick as mince on the subject.
Previous said:
Bit uncomfortable about this.
Applying todays standards to historical events
Are you suggesting that today's standards would allow for total mismanagement of large crowds at events and then covering up what went wrong for nearly 30 years?Applying todays standards to historical events
That's what it sounds like you are saying.
poo at Paul's said:
fk me, shut up man. Haven't you got some horse st to go and shovel, or doe you just talk it? .
Why you think you know more than the collective wisdom of the judiciary, CPS, public enquiry etc that have decided to proceed to trial now after all these years, I don't know. But I'd wager that compared to them, you're thick as mince on the subject.
When we are on the same page, you know that someone is posting some reprehensible drivel. k me, shut up man. Haven't you got some horse st to go and shovel, or doe you just talk it? . Why you think you know more than the collective wisdom of the judiciary, CPS, public enquiry etc that have decided to proceed to trial now after all these years, I don't know. But I'd wager that compared to them, you're thick as mince on the subject.
gooner1 said:
TTmonkey said:
IF any football supporters carry blame, it's those that caused the need for the fences and cages that were erected that should look back with shame. The rioting thugs that went to football matches not for sport but for semi organised agro and violence. Men now grown into middle and early old age of lives that as young men caused mayhem at football matches. They need to look back and realise that they have the deaths of fans on their hands.
Without the cages and barriers, there would have been no Hillsborogh tragedy.
96 cricket fans never died at a match.
96 rugby fans never died at a match.
96 football fans paid the price for the bad decisions made by the authorities to address violence at football matches.
Possibly correct, but there was a tragedy.Without the cages and barriers, there would have been no Hillsborogh tragedy.
96 cricket fans never died at a match.
96 rugby fans never died at a match.
96 football fans paid the price for the bad decisions made by the authorities to address violence at football matches.
And there very much was a massive attempted cover up.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
It's rare that I have to do it but I do implore people that if they think a poster's remarks are out of order, hit the report button and explain your position to the moderators.
I'm no Liverpool supporter (in fact I could be considered to be the complete opposite of one even if the shirt colour is the same) but the perpetual ignorance of people still trying to blame Liverpool supporters for the tragedy, either directly or indirectly deserves no place in discussions since the inquest.
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of those who haven't researched the subject fully, the supporters were not to blame for the disaster as found by the official inquiry. No matter what you think, what some bloke down the pub told you or what was published in the media in the aftermath or intervening years. They were innocent. Anything else is a lie.
People continuing to further these lies have nothing but ill feeling to add to the discussion. For what reason I don't know? All I do know is it must be incredibly upsetting for a family member to continue to see that the lies spread about their deceased relatives are still repeated by the uneducated today.
well saidI'm no Liverpool supporter (in fact I could be considered to be the complete opposite of one even if the shirt colour is the same) but the perpetual ignorance of people still trying to blame Liverpool supporters for the tragedy, either directly or indirectly deserves no place in discussions since the inquest.
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of those who haven't researched the subject fully, the supporters were not to blame for the disaster as found by the official inquiry. No matter what you think, what some bloke down the pub told you or what was published in the media in the aftermath or intervening years. They were innocent. Anything else is a lie.
People continuing to further these lies have nothing but ill feeling to add to the discussion. For what reason I don't know? All I do know is it must be incredibly upsetting for a family member to continue to see that the lies spread about their deceased relatives are still repeated by the uneducated today.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of those who haven't researched the subject fully, the supporters were not to blame for the disaster as found by the official inquiry. No matter what you think, what some bloke down the pub told you or what was published in the media in the aftermath or intervening years. They were innocent. Anything else is a lie.
I'm sorry, I know it's an emotive issue to some but I struggle to agree with that.Fundamentally, the people at the back killed the people at the front by pushing forward. They are not innocent. They may not be able to be punished due to the impossibility of identification if individuals. Ultimately it's a political absolution of the supporters there on the day.
Anyone post the event that sought to impede and/or pervert the course of justice should of course be prosecuted.
The manslaughter charge is brave in my opinion, there is far to much water under the bridge and information out in the public domain for any juror to not be influenced. I suspect this is also more a political prosecution to appease the relative of the victims, who want someones head on the block.
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Thursday 29th June 08:46
PurpleMoonlight said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of those who haven't researched the subject fully, the supporters were not to blame for the disaster as found by the official inquiry. No matter what you think, what some bloke down the pub told you or what was published in the media in the aftermath or intervening years. They were innocent. Anything else is a lie.
I'm sorry, I know it's an emotive issue to some but I struggle to agree with that.Fundamentally, the people at the back killed the people at the front by pushing forward. They are not innocent. They may not be able to be punished due to the impossibility of identification if individuals. Ultimately it's a political absolution of the supporters there on the day.
Anyone post the event that sought to impede and/or pervert the course of justice should of course be prosecuted.
The manslaughter charge is brave in my opinion, there is far to much water under the bridge and information out in the public domain for any juror to not be influenced. I suspect this is also more a political prosecution to appease the relative of the victims, who want someones head on the block.
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Thursday 29th June 08:46
LaurasOtherHalf said:
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of those who haven't researched the subject fully, the supporters were not to blame for the disaster as found by the official inquiry. No matter what you think, what some bloke down the pub told you or what was published in the media in the aftermath or intervening years. They were innocent. Anything else is a lie.
I'm going to have a wild guess here and say you didn't go to football in the 70s and 80s. If you did, you wouldn't buy in to this rubbish. I went to football thru that era. And I accept my share of responsibility for Hillsborough, and I'm not even a Liverpool fan. I was not innocent, yet I wasn't a football hooligan. But I was poorly behaved, every single week. That was the norm. I helped create the backdrop to Hillsborough, that led to fences, segregation, hostile and nervous policing etc. If Antiques Roadshow was being held at Hillsborough that day, and 50K people rocked up with their paintings and clocks, 96 of them wouldn't have died, even with the same level of totally inept policing and crappy dangerous stadium.
wc98 said:
i struggle to see how you cannot agree with that. those charged were being paid to control the crowd. as a result of their failure people died. too often in this country (contrary to the constant "blame culture" phrase i hear bandied about) people being paid to implement safety critical procedures are happy to take the money but not the responsibility that should come with it.
The behaviour of the police and neglegence was criminal.The cover up and denials were criminal.
People piling in to the stadium without ticks en masse, is totally cool as they were absolved of any responsibility for their own actions.
Is that about it?
Are they suggesting that the police somehow managed to push - probably with brute force - excessive numbers of Liverpool supporters into the stadium?
The supporters at the front of the crown who were crushed - innocent victims.
The supporters at the back of the crowd who pushed - should be charged with manslaughter if anyone is.
The supporters at the front of the crown who were crushed - innocent victims.
The supporters at the back of the crowd who pushed - should be charged with manslaughter if anyone is.
Ayahuasca said:
Are they suggesting that the police somehow managed to push - probably with brute force - excessive numbers of Liverpool supporters into the stadium?
The supporters at the front of the crown who were crushed - innocent victims.
The supporters at the back of the crowd who pushed - should be charged with manslaughter if anyone is.
Another ignorant fThe supporters at the front of the crown who were crushed - innocent victims.
The supporters at the back of the crowd who pushed - should be charged with manslaughter if anyone is.
kwit.Read what happened before making offensive and ignorant comments you complete and utter
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