Man in Scotland arrested over dog's 'Nazi salute'.

[Boydie88]

Yorkshire MP Philip Davies has demanded a debate on freedom of speech after a man was found guilty of making a "grossly offensive" video online.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-mp...

Well done Philip Davies.

[wc98]

dangerousB said:

wc98 said:

brilliant and bang on the money?

Where did I say "brilliant"?

Jonathan Pie said:

Some people found this offensive - understandable. This video got shared 3,000,000 times on Youtube with lots of inane comments like "LOL" underneath. Clearly some people found it funny.

What does this tell you?

It tells you that both offence and humour are subjective . . . the prosecution said that context and intent are irrelevant and the judge agreed.

Without context, of course it's not funny. In context, it's a cute little pug dog responding to one of the worst things you could ever say - that's the f***ing point, it's a joke.

My bold - I think context and intent are entirely relevant and JP's reference to this is, IMO, "bang on the money".You?

wc98 said:

i wonder where would i get the arresting officer and judges email addresses so i can send them this ?

The local nick and Sheriff's Court would probably be good places to start - give 'em a Google. Good luck in your quest for whatever it is you're trying to achieve with that.

you didn't say brilliant, i did.

i agree. context and intent are entirely relevant.
given the utter moronic decision to arrest him and then prosecute him i doubt anything i do or any petition will achieve the grand sum of fk all.
what would i like to achieve by sending the link to those mentioned ? offend them as much as possible .

[wc98]

Boydie88 said:

Yorkshire MP Philip Davies has demanded a debate on freedom of speech after a man was found guilty of making a "grossly offensive" video online.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-mp...

Well done Philip Davies.

thank christ someone in parliament can see there is a problem here. well done that man.

[Smokehead]

Given the shady origins of the SNP, it's a natural progression that Scotland is now a fascist state under this Government. Lets hope the blue painted 'Freedom Fighters' wake up in time, which they probably will once they have figured out how much their alcohol is suddenly costing.

[Goaty Bill 2]

wc98 said:

Boydie88 said:

Yorkshire MP Philip Davies has demanded a debate on freedom of speech after a man was found guilty of making a "grossly offensive" video online.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-mp...

Well done Philip Davies.

thank christ someone in parliament can see there is a problem here. well done that man.

Absolutely. Well done sir.

From Davies website;

Mr Davies said:

Whilst I would not want to support of (sic) encourage anyone being grossly offensive, believing in freedom of speech means you should not make someone a criminal just because they have said something you think “offensive”

I would say that he appears to understand the issue perfectly.

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Friday 23 March 10:03

[dangerousB]

wc98 said:

you didn't say brilliant, i did.

i agree. context and intent are entirely relevant.
given the utter moronic decision to arrest him and then prosecute him i doubt anything i do or any petition will achieve the grand sum of fk all.

My apologies, I totally misinterpreted your post - took it to mean you disagreed!!! Moronic and disgraceful to take any action over this - aside from anything else, he made his intent and motivation perfectly clear at the very start of the video.

wc98 said:

what would i like to achieve by sending the link to those mentioned ? offend them as much as possible .

If I could find those email addresses, I'd join you.

[ape x]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

wc98 said:

Boydie88 said:

Yorkshire MP Philip Davies has demanded a debate on freedom of speech after a man was found guilty of making a "grossly offensive" video online.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-mp...

Well done Philip Davies.

thank christ someone in parliament can see there is a problem here. well done that man.

Absolutely. Well done sir.

From Davies website;

Mr Davies said:

Whilst I would not want to support of (sic) encourage anyone being grossly offensive, believing in freedom of speech means you should not make someone a criminal just because they have said something you think “offensive”

I would say that he appears to understand the issue perfectly.

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Friday 23 March 10:03

Well I hope he does something about the law which stops anyone protesting outside HP whilst he's at it.....

Just one example :

"Peaceful protestor Maya Evans was convicted in 2005 for reading out the names of UK soldiers killed in the war in Iraq at the Cenotaph in Whitehall."


I am torn on this, it is OTT to be taking this guy down the route of prison, for sure. But then if you say it's OK to say something like "GAS THE JEWS" because you said it to a dog opens up the possibility to anything so long as you are simply saying it to an animal and then uploading to social media....
Take away the dog and have a man saying "GAS THE JEWS" 10 times, is that still OK so long as its a comedian?

Radical hate preachers could effectively upload hate speeches aimed at a dog with no recourse....which is handy because they think dogs are dirty anyway..

I don't know...sort of with Ricky Gervase but..... I dont know could that Choudery fella not now just say "guys, guys...i am a comedian....relax.."

Edited by ape x on Friday 23 March 11:08

Edited by ape x on Friday 23 March 11:10

[WinstonWolf]

ape x said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

wc98 said:

Boydie88 said:

Yorkshire MP Philip Davies has demanded a debate on freedom of speech after a man was found guilty of making a "grossly offensive" video online.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-mp...

Well done Philip Davies.

thank christ someone in parliament can see there is a problem here. well done that man.

Absolutely. Well done sir.

From Davies website;

Mr Davies said:

Whilst I would not want to support of (sic) encourage anyone being grossly offensive, believing in freedom of speech means you should not make someone a criminal just because they have said something you think “offensive”

I would say that he appears to understand the issue perfectly.

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Friday 23 March 10:03

Well I hope he does something about the law which stops anyone protesting outside HP whilst he's at it.....

Just one example :

"Peaceful protestor Maya Evans was convicted in 2005 for reading out the names of UK soldiers killed in the war in Iraq at the Cenotaph in Whitehall."


I am torn on this, it is OTT to be taking this guy down the route of prison, for sure. But then if you say it's OK to say something like "GAS THE JEWS" because you said it to a dog opens up the possibility to anything so long as you are simply saying it to an animal and then uploading to social media....
Take away the dog and have a man saying "GAS THE JEWS" 10 times, is that still OK so long as its a comedian?

Radical hate preachers could effectively upload hate speeches aimed at a dog with no recourse....which is handy because they think dogs are dirty anyway..

I don't know...sort of with Ricky Gervase but..... I dont know could that Choudery fella not now just say "guys, guys...i am a comedian....relax.."

Edited by ape x on Friday 23 March 11:08

Edited by ape x on Friday 23 March 11:10

Context is everything, it was a joke, offensive jokes are funny. Some people get offended, some laugh. That's the whole point, someone will always be offended.

[chris watton]

Or, more likely, pretend to be offended to get a reaction.

[WinstonWolf]

chris watton said:

Or, more likely, pretend to be offended to get a reaction.

"How does this offend me?" does seem to have become a thing.

The thing is, if you're offended nothing fking happens

[anonymous-user]

https://youtu.be/ceS_jkKjIgo

[wc98]

fblm said:

https://youtu.be/ceS_jkKjIgo

lol, "woke up in the morning with leprosy" !

[wc98]

dangerousB said:

If I could find those email addresses, I'd join you.

no probs , won't be the first time my barely legible posting has confused someone on here

[ape x]

WinstonWolf said:

ape x said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

wc98 said:

Boydie88 said:

Yorkshire MP Philip Davies has demanded a debate on freedom of speech after a man was found guilty of making a "grossly offensive" video online.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-mp...

Well done Philip Davies.

thank christ someone in parliament can see there is a problem here. well done that man.

Absolutely. Well done sir.

From Davies website;

Mr Davies said:

Whilst I would not want to support of (sic) encourage anyone being grossly offensive, believing in freedom of speech means you should not make someone a criminal just because they have said something you think “offensive”

I would say that he appears to understand the issue perfectly.

Edited by Goaty Bill 2 on Friday 23 March 10:03

Well I hope he does something about the law which stops anyone protesting outside HP whilst he's at it.....

Just one example :

"Peaceful protestor Maya Evans was convicted in 2005 for reading out the names of UK soldiers killed in the war in Iraq at the Cenotaph in Whitehall."


I am torn on this, it is OTT to be taking this guy down the route of prison, for sure. But then if you say it's OK to say something like "GAS THE JEWS" because you said it to a dog opens up the possibility to anything so long as you are simply saying it to an animal and then uploading to social media....
Take away the dog and have a man saying "GAS THE JEWS" 10 times, is that still OK so long as its a comedian?

Radical hate preachers could effectively upload hate speeches aimed at a dog with no recourse....which is handy because they think dogs are dirty anyway..

I don't know...sort of with Ricky Gervase but..... I dont know could that Choudery fella not now just say "guys, guys...i am a comedian....relax.."

Edited by ape x on Friday 23 March 11:08

Edited by ape x on Friday 23 March 11:10

Context is everything, it was a joke, offensive jokes are funny. Some people get offended, some laugh. That's the whole point, someone will always be offended.

Context is everything yes.
A Muslim comic making jokes about dead UK soldiers, would that be OK to you?
Would that get a thread defending it or slathering for the death penalty?

For me I think the people saying no one should ever be offended would be the first to be offended if the joke was not something they agreed with.

[kowalski655]

Why would it be different?
No one is saying you cant be offended, but as in that Steve Hughes YT clip,...so what? You're offended, be offended.

On another point,I would hope he appeals to a higher, more sensible court. I suspect the cost will be the stumbling block

Edited by kowalski655 on Friday 23 March 18:12

[anonymous-user]

ape x said:

Context is everything yes.
A Muslim comic making jokes about dead UK soldiers, would that be OK to you?
Would that get a thread defending it or slathering for the death penalty?

For me I think the people saying no one should ever be offended would be the first to be offended if the joke was not something they agreed with.

You seem very confused between being offended and being prosecuted and jailed for being offensive. If you say something I disagree with and claim to find offensive do you think I should be able to get you prosecuted and jailed? Can you not see the danger of going down that route?

[anonymous-user]

How far through this Jimmy Carr set should he have been arrested? There's obviously a holocaust joke


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2_HbqPpQDk

[Kccv23highliftcam]

fblm said:

ape x said:

Context is everything yes.
A Muslim comic making jokes about dead UK soldiers, would that be OK to you?
Would that get a thread defending it or slathering for the death penalty?

For me I think the people saying no one should ever be offended would be the first to be offended if the joke was not something they agreed with.

You seem very confused between being offended and being prosecuted and jailed for being offensive. If you say something I disagree with and claim to find offensive do you think I should be able to get you prosecuted and jailed? Can you not see the danger of going down that route?

I imagine that is something ape would delight in...

[irocfan]

ape x said:

Context is everything yes.
A Muslim comic making jokes about dead UK soldiers, would that be OK to you?
Would that get a thread defending it or slathering for the death penalty?

to be fair you do make a valid point - however as distasteful as that might be if we hold true to ideals of freedom of speech....

[Goaty Bill 2]

fblm said:

ape x said:

Context is everything yes.
A Muslim comic making jokes about dead UK soldiers, would that be OK to you?
Would that get a thread defending it or slathering for the death penalty?

For me I think the people saying no one should ever be offended would be the first to be offended if the joke was not something they agreed with.

You seem very confused between being offended and being prosecuted and jailed for being offensive. If you say something I disagree with and claim to find offensive do you think I should be able to get you prosecuted and jailed? Can you not see the danger of going down that route?

This, as others have said is the crux of the matter.

Would I be offended by a Muslim comedian making jokes about dead UK soldiers? Absolutely. I'd be furious. So furious in fact that were I attending a performance I would walk out and recommend to all I know that they give this bd a wide berth.

But, I would not expect him/her to be prosecuted for the crime of 'being a complete asshole'.

I would not however be surprised if the same comedian didn't get many more bookings, and I would be disappointed in people's judgement if he did.