Man in Scotland arrested over dog's 'Nazi salute'.

[Order66]

irocfan said:

it seems that even his name agrees with the fact that he's a total wker...

He's of the same justice system that prosecuted a homeless man for having a bright orange plastic gun (same idiot sheriff as in this case):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...

[anonymous-user]

The last time that someone was convicted after making a joke (on that occasion on Twitter, with an obviously jokey comment about blowing up an airport), the Lord Chief Justice, allowing the appeal, said this -

"Satirical, or iconoclastic, or rude comment, the expression of unpopular or unfashionable opinion about serious or trivial matters, banter or humour, even if distasteful to some or painful to those subjected to it should and no doubt will continue at their customary level ..."

The case was Chambers v DPP [2012] EWHC 2157. The charge there was brought under the Malicious Communications Act 2003, but the Lord Chief's words should have general application. It remains to be seen whether the Scottish Courts will adopt the same approach as the Divisional Court did in England.

The conviction may be inconsistent with article 10 ECHR, under which some restrictions on free speech are permitted, but such restrictions have to be proportionate means of achieving legitimate aims.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 25th March 15:03

[DurianIceCream]

Order66 said:

He's of the same justice system that prosecuted a homeless man for having a bright orange plastic gun (same idiot sheriff as in this case):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...

Why do these bizarre convictions usually seem to happen in Scotland?

Remember this guy who was borking his bicycle in the privacy of his own locked room?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgo...

[anonymous-user]

Globs said:

There are a lot of double standards going on, I recall the story of the Canadian lady who got arrested in germany:
http://www.fitzhugh.ca/video-denying-holocaust-cau...
Simply because she couldn't find any evidence of the gas chambers or any written evidence that they worked or were planned, despite the germans diligently documenting everything else they did. For such a large operation it's still a puzzle how they were able to hide it so well, and some of the numbers are very puzzling too.

I'm still not sure about some of the myths about the nazi regime (they also didn't call themselves nazis - that was invented after the war IIRC), like the book burning. I don't understand why a nation who valued technology, science, art, music and literature would burn books - that makes no sense at all, so I wonder if they did burn any, and if so - which ones? How did they make all of those planes, jets, rockets, trains and why did they collect all that art if they burnt all the books? It's not as if it was all on computer was it?

History is written by the winners so we can't be sure of the real german story, any more than we can be sure of Saddam's or Gadaffi's crimes - crimes they were never tried for incidentally.. It's a bit like the US/Israel op in Syria - we're now hearing about all the stuff that we'd not be hearing about if that had gone as planned.

.. [Further ranty blah]

Wowza! An authentic Holocaust denier! OK, let's give you the benefit of doubt and say "Holocaust sceptic". Look some stuff up - the evidence of the Holocaust (and of book burning) is plentiful (and consists partly of meticulous records kept by the perpetrators, as well as the small matter of lots of eye witnesses, some of whom are still alive). And, no the term Nazi was not invented after the War. You have the Internet at your disposal, so you have no excuse for being as ignorant as your posts suggest you are. If you have a short attention span, just read the minutes of the Wannsee meeting, as they are quite short.

[anonymous-user]

Any danger Abbot can be jailed for promoting Maoism as a force for good? She wasn't joking about the extermination of 45m people either.

[anonymous-user]

Back to the pug dog: the prosecutor reportedly asserted and the Judge reportedly accepted that context was irrelevant. They appear unaware of Lord Steyn's often quoted comment (in R v Secretary of State for the Home Department ex parte Daly [2001] UKHL 26, [2001] 2 AC 53) that "in law context is everything".

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 25th March 21:45

[anonymous-user]

Breadvan72 said:

Wowza!

If you can find someone howling at the moon instead.... You might have more luck.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Breadvan72 said:

Back to the pug dog: the prosecutor reportedly asserted and the Judge reportedly accepted that context was irrelevant. They appear unaware of Lord Steyn's often quoted comment (in [i]R v Secretary of State for the Home Department ex parte Daly [2001] UKHL 26, [2001] 2 AC 532) that "in law context is everything".

Some excellent information (as well as in your post above), and that may in fact provide some hope that this decision could be overturned on appeal?

Very few people would wish to see political extremists on every street corner spewing their individual hatreds and incitements.
It must be clear to anyone who watched the original video, and the follow up explanation video, that this is not what happened here. To insist upon ignoring context and intent can surely only be motivated by ideologically driven goals.

[Cliftonite]

DurianIceCream said:

Why do these bizarre convictions usually seem to happen in Scotland?

Remember this guy who was borking his bicycle in the privacy of his own locked room?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgo...

The Scottish legal system. The gift that keeps on giving:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/106719/Fined-50-...

Kill a few people with a runaway refuse truck, however . . .

[Janluke]

I know this isnt a phrase that gets typed very often on PH but

There's a really good piece in The Guardian about this case

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar...

[irocfan]

Janluke said:

I know this isnt a phrase that gets typed very often on PH but

There's a really good piece in The Guardian about this case

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar...

excellent article

[irocfan]

Cliftonite said:

The Scottish legal system. The gift that keeps on giving:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/106719/Fined-50-...

to be fair according to the article he is alleged to have thrown is receipt away on the floor sp there may be a different reason

[anonymous-user]

irocfan said:

Cliftonite said:

The Scottish legal system. The gift that keeps on giving:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/106719/Fined-50-...

to be fair according to the article he is alleged to have thrown is receipt away on the floor sp there may be a different reason

Low hanging fruit.
Back in the UK I was with someone who was stopped by 2 body stocky cocky clipboard hitlers in of all places Blackpool
The crime my colleague did: Went to a litter bin and popped his empty KFC bag into a bin. Bin was a bit full said KFC bag fell out after we had walked on. Get to the corner of Church Street and Abingdon Road and the voice that must be obeyed stood directly in front of us trying to issue a fine. Firstly insisting he had dropped the thing on the pavement (he hadn't) and secondly demanding we both give our names and addresses.

This went on for a few minutes with us initially being bemused then getting angry. So we walked off at that point field commander Jobsworth threatened to summon the police which he was invited to do and we carried on moving. then fatally we were stopped again and one attempted to hold us the other continued with his droning monologue

Police did arrive but only because a proper copper was walking past. Jobsworth gave his excited version of events we gave ours. Police asked if we would give names to which we did. We were allowed to walk on.
A week later we both received letters / summonses from a company called 3GS essentially £80 each. Letters were identical. Cue a reply stating that only one of us had bought and consumed KFC and only one had placed his rubbish in a bin. The replies also stated that we didn't drop any litter and that the rubbish was placed in the bin. The responses were firm and detailed.

We both received letters a week later saying no action would be taken. That wasn't good enough so we wrote to the deputy council leaders office complaining. We received replies essentially saying it was between us and 3GS. Replies ent to the councillors office saying that they had ultimate responsibility as they engaged 3GS.

Long story short we both received letters of apology from 3GS and The Council

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 26th March 12:52

[Regiment]

techiedave said:

Low hanging fruit.
Back in the UK I was with someone who was stopped by 2 body stocky cocky clipboard hitlers in of all places Blackpool
The crime my colleague did: Went to a litter bin and popped his empty KFC bag into a bin. Bin was a bit full said KFC bag fell out after we had walked on. Get to the corner of Church Street and Abingdon Road and the voice that must be obeyed stood directly in front of us trying to issue a fine. Firstly insisting he had dropped the thing on the pavement (he hadn't) and secondly demanding we both give our names and addresses.
This went on for a few minutes with us initially being bemused then getting angry. So we walked off at that point field commander Jobsworth threatened to summon the police which he was invited to do and we carried on moving. then fatally we were stopped again and one attempted to hold us the other continued with his droning monologue
Police did arrive but only because a proper copper was walking past. Jobsworth gave his excited version of events we gave ours. Police asked if we would give names to which we did. We were allowed to walk on.
A week later we both received letters / summonses from a company called 3GS essentially £80 each. Letters were identical. Cue a reply stating that only one of us had bought and consumed KFC and only one had placed his rubbish in a bin. The replies also stated that we didn't drop any litter and that the rubbish was placed in the bin.
The responses were firm and detailed.
We both received letters a week later saying no action would be taken. That wasn't good enough so we wrote to the deputy council leaders office complaining. We received replies essentially saying it was between us and 3GS. Replies ent to the councillors office saying that they had ultimate responsibility as they engaged 3GS.
Long story short we both received letters of apology from 3GS and The Council

I wish some angry “jobsworths” would hide in the bushes in the park near me with video cameras and pouncing on any filthy pigs not picking up their dogs crap. I’d stand and cheer them on as they lay into the lazy, good for nothing’s.

[Patrick Bateman]

Paragraphs mannnnnn.

[V8 Fettler]

DurianIceCream said:

Order66 said:

He's of the same justice system that prosecuted a homeless man for having a bright orange plastic gun (same idiot sheriff as in this case):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...

Why do these bizarre convictions usually seem to happen in Scotland?

Remember this guy who was borking his bicycle in the privacy of his own locked room?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgo...

The Scots are small-minded, this is the result of centuries of emigration; the English are therefore to blame, probably.

[Pesty]

Regiment said:

I wish some angry “jobsworths” would hide in the bushes in the park near me with video cameras and pouncing on any filthy pigs not picking up their dogs crap. I’d stand and cheer them on as they lay into the lazy, good for nothing’s.

They do here.

As a dog owner who is more,likely to be a victim of these lazy tts I whole hearted applaud them.
However I’ve heard from dog walkers on the field they mostly go after people who pick up because that’s who they see due to them dwelling around.
They then go and inspect the patch or watch them doing it and if they see anything then then try and fine them.
So as usual the lazy fkers get away with it and the ones doing it properly get tagged.

[Russian Troll Bot]

Apparently done as an experiment, but shows the world we now live in. Isn't this the same police force that won't come out for minor crimes and has seen 10 murders on its patch in the last 12 days?

[_dobbo_]

I watched that Jonathan Pie video and wondered how long before some cretin would complain.

[anonymous-user]

Pie is mistaken, by the way, in asserting that the absurd decision of the Sheriff Court creates a precedent. Only decisions by superior courts of record do this, and a Sheriff Court is not such a court. The decision does not bind any other court.