Implications of Brexit!
Discussion
spankbank said:
Camlet said:
I hate the EU Commission. An undemocratic bunch of political oligarchs. Arrogant, dangerous, not elected, powerful. This alone was a good reason to Brexit.
But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bulls
t Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the maelstrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real.
New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, fking IDIOTS.
Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is fking nuts.
Camlet. You have mirrored my views to the letter.But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bulls
t Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the maelstrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real. New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, f
king IDIOTS.Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is f
king nuts.This is madness.
While I voted Remain, for economic reasons, I do agree with many of the Leave side's points (not about Immigration, however - not at all!).
I hope that this will prove a catalyst for a dramatic change in the EU's structure, if only to forestall the obvious anti-EU feeling that is growing elsewhere, but is being dismissed by the arrogant sods in Brussels. However, I suspect that the process will have so much sand thrown in it by bitter Eurocrats to make it look unattractive to others that this won't happen.
I also hope that, as others have said from the Leave side, the UK will pull together and make the best it can of the result. Unfortunately, given the quality of our current crop of politicians and government in general (and I include our horrific media in this), my genuine fear is that we become an insular, stagnant and divided country, which has just given up its place on the world stage.
I hope for the former, not the latter. It'll be a while before we find out!
Edited by Mike_Mac on Saturday 25th June 11:24
gibbon said:
I think Labour hugely responsible for not rallying and mobilising their traditional voting base.
Cameron/Osborne were prepared to do anything to get power. This included an in/out ref and ultimately leaving the EU. Brexit is a Tory mess. Well done. Take some responsibility.Nice to see so much doom and gloom and so little enthusiasm for a better future !
Looking at the results, and geographical spread, I struggle to see how anyone can not blame Corbyn. Many of the areas voting for Brexit are traditionally full of Labour supporters and he is their leader [not for much longer I guess]. His blatant lack of commitment to Remain would have done much to ensure that anti-Cameron voters had little alternative.
Looking at the results, and geographical spread, I struggle to see how anyone can not blame Corbyn. Many of the areas voting for Brexit are traditionally full of Labour supporters and he is their leader [not for much longer I guess]. His blatant lack of commitment to Remain would have done much to ensure that anti-Cameron voters had little alternative.
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Bullst. The only person demanding that is the Mayor of Calais, and she's been demanding that for the last 2 years that I know of, saying that the jungle is an "English problem"
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Really?
So a French border guard isn't going to let someone leave the EU and become the UK's problem?
And the EU isn't going to refuse to allow a non-EU country to have border checks on EU soil?
If you believe that you are a fkwit.
Bulls
t. The only person demanding that is the Mayor of Calais, and she's been demanding that for the last 2 years that I know of, saying that the jungle is an "English problem"[/quote]
Really?
So a French border guard isn't going to let someone leave the EU and become the UK's problem?
And the EU isn't going to refuse to allow a non-EU country to have border checks on EU soil?
If you believe that you are a f
kwit. eldar said:
deadslow said:
Cameron/Osborne were prepared to do anything to get power. This included an in/out ref and ultimately leaving the EU. Brexit is a Tory mess. Well done. Take some responsibility.
Primarily, I agree. Corbyn compounded it by his piss-poor leadership. Failure all round.Robertj21a said:
Nice to see so much doom and gloom and so little enthusiasm for a better future !
Looking at the results, and geographical spread, I struggle to see how anyone can not blame Corbyn. Many of the areas voting for Brexit are traditionally full of Labour supporters and he is their leader [not for much longer I guess]. His blatant lack of commitment to Remain would have done much to ensure that anti-Cameron voters had little alternative.
If there was actually any plan in place sating how we are moving forward there would be less worryLooking at the results, and geographical spread, I struggle to see how anyone can not blame Corbyn. Many of the areas voting for Brexit are traditionally full of Labour supporters and he is their leader [not for much longer I guess]. His blatant lack of commitment to Remain would have done much to ensure that anti-Cameron voters had little alternative.
People are often scares of the unknown its quite natural
deadslow said:
eldar said:
deadslow said:
Cameron/Osborne were prepared to do anything to get power. This included an in/out ref and ultimately leaving the EU. Brexit is a Tory mess. Well done. Take some responsibility.
Primarily, I agree. Corbyn compounded it by his piss-poor leadership. Failure all round.Jader1973][quote said:
Bullst. The only person demanding that is the Mayor of Calais, and she's been demanding that for the last 2 years that I know of, saying that the jungle is an "English problem"
Really?t. The only person demanding that is the Mayor of Calais, and she's been demanding that for the last 2 years that I know of, saying that the jungle is an "English problem"So a French border guard isn't going to let someone leave the EU and become the UK's problem?
And the EU isn't going to refuse to allow a non-EU country to have border checks on EU soil?
If you believe that you are a f
kwit. French border control at Calais has nothing to do with the EU, and the UK leaving the EU has no impact on the arrangement between France and the UK.
The agreement is covered by Le Touquet, and to withdraw from it requires a 2 year notice from France.
If France was to withdraw from the agreement the impact on France would be just as detrimental as it would be to the UK.
However all the above will mean nothing to the French as they do pretty much as they please, something that Juncker has always acknowledged.
chrispmartha said:
If there was actually any plan in place sating how we are moving forward there would be less worry
People are often scares of the unknown its quite natural
Agreed, but surely it's for the government of the day to outline their plans for what, and how, to take matters forward. That's a bit difficult at present.People are often scares of the unknown its quite natural
v8s4me said:
Yep, 1.5M people who can't accept democracy.Oh it was also started in May
carinatauk said:
v8s4me said:
Yep, 1.5M people who can't accept democracy.Oh it was also started in May
carinatauk said:
v8s4me said:
Yep, 1.5M people who can't accept democracy.Oh it was also started in May
AreOut said:
Blayney said:
2 million and going up 2.5k/minute who feel it is the wrong decision for the future of the country and Europe.
and majority of them not Brits at all...United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":354887
That's a bit pathetic that 1.5 million people from outside of the UK have been able to sign it, isn't it? Is that right?
grumbledoak said:
Blayney said:
2 million and going up 2.5k/minute who feel it is the wrong decision for the future of the country and Europe.
Blayney said:
That's a bit pathetic that 1.5 million people from outside of the UK have been able to sign it, isn't it? Is that right?
I think I'll be off now!
Blayney said:
carinatauk said:
v8s4me said:
Yep, 1.5M people who can't accept democracy.Oh it was also started in May
I wonder how many people have signed multiple times giving a false name/postcode - or are not British citizens at all and have just ticked the box to say they are.
This could be 2 million people - or a couple of thousand people trolling. Is there any way to tell?
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