Boris Johnson Inept
Discussion
pavarotti1980 said:
abzmike said:
My god... What a ramble...
10 minutes and he's already all over the place.
What did he say?10 minutes and he's already all over the place.
I watched it and cant remember a single thing
Brexit.
I was very, very drunk.
Corbyn.
Legitimate expense claims.
Haribo Starmix on toast.
amusingduck said:
What have they done in the previous two years to address that? Nothing that I'm aware of. The strategy seems to be to do nothing, then denounce the people who've already jumped ship. That'll show em 
What surveys like that don't point out is that it is the parties of the centre right who have moved, not the centre right voters, who believe in much the same as they did twenty, thirty years ago, and still have their "inconvenient" attachment to nation and community.We live in an age where a party supposedly of the centre right (in Germany) can open its borders to all comers and it is the voters who are supposedly extreme.
Eventually, as in Italy, the voters get fed up and once there is a change of government suddenly the impossible becomes possible.
amusingduck said:
What have they done in the previous two years to address that? Nothing that I'm aware of. The strategy seems to be to do nothing, then denounce the people who've already jumped ship. That'll show em
And right on cue.There's plenty in life that frustrates me. I don't see the likes of Farage as the answer.
Already covered on the EU thread but it's a slippery slope towards "Send her back" and special policies that only apply depending on your religion.
Like I said, a slippery slope, but I hope Boris has more sense than to align himself with those people.
JagLover said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Heseltine on LBC now destroying him and tearing into the Farage's and Le Pen's and his fears that it's where we may be sliding.
Well if that is where we are heading Tory remainers like Heseltine will bear most of the blame for blowing up their own party to stop Brexit.An extreme example of short sightedness on their part in my view because the only way we are ever going to have a right wing party to vote for again, under a FPTP system, is if the Tories implode.
JagLover said:
amusingduck said:
What have they done in the previous two years to address that? Nothing that I'm aware of. The strategy seems to be to do nothing, then denounce the people who've already jumped ship. That'll show em
What surveys like that don't point out is that it is the parties of the centre right who have moved, not the centre right voters, who believe in much the same as they did twenty, thirty years ago, and still have their "inconvenient" attachment to nation and community.We live in an age where a party supposedly of the centre right (in Germany) can open its borders to all comers and it is the voters who are supposedly extreme.
Eventually, as in Italy, the voters get fed up and once there is a change of government suddenly the impossible becomes possible.
What policies do centerist politicians have to offer? Simply saying vote for me, I'm neither too left or right isn't a huge vote winner.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:amusingduck said:
What have they done in the previous two years to address that? Nothing that I'm aware of. The strategy seems to be to do nothing, then denounce the people who've already jumped ship. That'll show em
And right on cue.There's plenty in life that frustrates me. I don't see the likes of Farage as the answer.
Already covered on the EU thread but it's a slippery slope towards "Send her back" and special policies that only apply depending on your religion.
Like I said, a slippery slope, but I hope Boris has more sense than to align himself with those people.
I don't get it. It's like you think that if you just browbeat people hard enough, or find the right words to express your disapproval of political groups, that they'll suddenly become enlightened and agree with you.
I don't think that'll work somehow. Worse, I think your sentiment actually increases the chances of ending up with extremist politicians by reducing the whole conversation to "don't vote for bad people". The lesson from WW2 wasn't "Nazi's are evil, don't be evil then - sorted." - Which seems your approach to today's politics.
red_slr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
abzmike said:
My god... What a ramble...
10 minutes and he's already all over the place.
What did he say?10 minutes and he's already all over the place.
I watched it and cant remember a single thing
Brexit.
I was very, very drunk.
Corbyn.
Legitimate expense claims.
Haribo Starmix on toast.
ClaphamGT3 said:
JagLover said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Heseltine on LBC now destroying him and tearing into the Farage's and Le Pen's and his fears that it's where we may be sliding.
Well if that is where we are heading Tory remainers like Heseltine will bear most of the blame for blowing up their own party to stop Brexit.An extreme example of short sightedness on their part in my view because the only way we are ever going to have a right wing party to vote for again, under a FPTP system, is if the Tories implode.
The Tory party is already on its knees and if the aims of Remainer Tory MPs are achieved it will be killed off. If that happens the biggest losers are going to be those who want to prevent the Farages and Le Pens of this world from getting a shot at power and they will have brought it on themselves.
amusingduck said:
right on cue?
I don't get it. It's like you think that if you just browbeat people hard enough, or find the right words to express your disapproval of political groups, that they'll suddenly become enlightened and agree with you.
I don't think that'll work somehow. Worse, I think your sentiment actually increases the chances of ending up with extremist politicians by reducing the whole conversation to "don't vote for bad people". The lesson from WW2 wasn't "Nazi's are evil, don't be evil then - sorted." - Which seems your approach to today's politics.
Right on cue - it's all someone else's fault, democracy failed them, it's all because of remainer traitors, whatever pile of excuses people choose to make to justify their choice to vote for these people.I don't get it. It's like you think that if you just browbeat people hard enough, or find the right words to express your disapproval of political groups, that they'll suddenly become enlightened and agree with you.
I don't think that'll work somehow. Worse, I think your sentiment actually increases the chances of ending up with extremist politicians by reducing the whole conversation to "don't vote for bad people". The lesson from WW2 wasn't "Nazi's are evil, don't be evil then - sorted." - Which seems your approach to today's politics.
Life's a bit more nuanced that you can sometimes get across in black and white, but some things are really pretty simple.
I'm not expecting people to agree with me.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Right on cue - it's all someone else's fault, democracy failed them, it's all because of remainer traitors, whatever pile of excuses people choose to make to justify their choice to vote for these people.
Life's a bit more nuanced that you can sometimes get across in black and white, but some things are really pretty simple.
I'm not expecting people to agree with me.
Seems you're "right on cue" then? As you've reduced the argument to "it's wrong" (bold), aka "it's all someone else's fault for voting the wrong way"? Life's a bit more nuanced that you can sometimes get across in black and white, but some things are really pretty simple.
I'm not expecting people to agree with me.
FN2TypeR said:
funkyrobot said:
Wow. This country will continue to be fked.
We need a GE.
What would that solve? Nuthin, is my bet. ked.We need a GE.
I think it a very dangerous assumption that that would improve anything at all.
I doubt very much whether either of the (previously) main two parties will ever form a majority government again. The stalemate of a coalition would, in these times of change, be a crippling disadvantage.
Digga said:
FN2TypeR said:
funkyrobot said:
Wow. This country will continue to be fked.
We need a GE.
What would that solve? Nuthin, is my bet. ked.We need a GE.
I think it a very dangerous assumption that that would improve anything at all.
I doubt very much whether either of the (previously) main two parties will ever form a majority government again. The stalemate of a coalition would, in these times of change, be a crippling disadvantage.
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