Owen Jones

[biggbn]

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Do you think that he is the least bit embarrassed by it?

Surely the Guardian's error, he just supplies the words?

I’m sure it will be spun that way.

Do you honestly think journos and talking heads provide words, set up pages, deal with layouts...? Or do they just do their job...write? Haven't much time for a lot of what Jones writes but come on, this is just more
shouting at clouds isn't it?

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Do you think that he is the least bit embarrassed by it?

Surely the Guardian's error, he just supplies the words?

I’m sure it will be spun that way.

Do you honestly think journos and talking heads provide words, set up pages, deal with layouts...? Or do they just do their job...write? Haven't much time for a lot of what Jones writes but come on, this is just more
shouting at clouds isn't it?

He represents the Guardian. The Guardian represents him

They both bear a responsibility and are accountable for the ste they publish.

Not that either ever have.

[768]

biggbn said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Do you think that he is the least bit embarrassed by it?

Surely the Guardian's error, he just supplies the words?

The Guardian's error that Jones was throwing stones at other newspapers from within in glass houses?

[Digga]

REALIST123 said:

biggbn said:

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Do you think that he is the least bit embarrassed by it?

Surely the Guardian's error, he just supplies the words?

I’m sure it will be spun that way.

Do you honestly think journos and talking heads provide words, set up pages, deal with layouts...? Or do they just do their job...write? Haven't much time for a lot of what Jones writes but come on, this is just more
shouting at clouds isn't it?

He represents the Guardian. The Guardian represents him

They both bear a responsibility and are accountable for the ste they publish.

Not that either ever have.

There is an element of that, I believe. They cannot have it both ways.

[biggbn]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/c...

An apology published. By the Guardian. Jeez, Jones must not have went in, picked the art work, set the page up, proof read, checked its legality, edited it and personally set the print run rhat day. Must have been busy. Maybe, writing? Just a thought.

Edit. My knowledge of how a newspaper works is limited to watching films and TV dramas, I am, therefore, happy (and possibly likely?) to be proven absolutely wrong on this!!

Edited by biggbn on Friday 31st July 08:16

[768]

Have you read the article?! The words that he wrote?

[zygalski]

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Do you think that he is the least bit embarrassed by it?

Surely the Guardian's error, he just supplies the words?

I’m sure it will be spun that way.

I somehow think that another department provides images for the articles.
I think you lot are reaching somewhat if you think Jones writes, adds images to and then stands by the printing press hitting the big green button.
Still, it is 1952 to most in here...

[A Winner Is You]

zygalski said:

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Do you think that he is the least bit embarrassed by it?

Surely the Guardian's error, he just supplies the words?

I’m sure it will be spun that way.

I somehow think that another department provides images for the articles.
I think you lot are reaching somewhat if you think Jones writes, adds images to and then stands by the printing press hitting the big green button.
Still, it is 1952 to most in here...

Although given how few staff The Guardian have left, he might have to do a bit of multitasking.

[biggbn]

768 said:

Have you read the article?! The words that he wrote?

I was, and am, commenting on the post about the misrepresentation of the artist Kano, whose picture was used instead of Wiley's. My assumption would be that the article will be Jones' usual cliche laden diatribe as he himself has a history of shouting at clouds and im not a fan of his writing. If you want I will read and critique the piece, but that will be another 'sub thread' and won't be related to my responses above.

[768]

biggbn said:

768 said:

Have you read the article?! The words that he wrote?

I was, and am, commenting on the post about the misrepresentation of the artist Kano, whose picture was used instead of Wiley's. My assumption would be that the article will be Jones' usual cliche laden diatribe as he himself has a history of shouting at clouds and im not a fan of his writing. If you want I will read and critique the piece, but that will be another 'sub thread' and won't be related to my responses above.

You're missing the entire context of the criticism you're rallying against then.

Jones' article was attacking other papers as racist, explicitly calling out the Times, Mail and the Sun from his position of pseudo moral superiority in the Guardian - literally saying rightwing newspapers are this country's most prominent platform for bigotry.

[biggbn]

Murph7355 said:

Shambler said:

@768, for clarity, this is the post I was replying to, someone posting a screenshot of somebody mocking Jones for the wrong guy's picture being used in his piece. My point is, and remains, that Jones would not have been responsible for the pictures only the words.

Edit. I agree that the Guardian should get a huge shellacking for printing the piece with the wrong image and can see the irony in this situation. I just can't see how Jones is at fault for this fk up?

Edited by biggbn on Friday 31st July 09:37

[768]

Because his words were suggesting that the Guardian wouldn't do such a thing and it was only what rightwing newspapers did. That was what the whole article was about.

[George Smiley]

biggbn said:

768 said:

Have you read the article?! The words that he wrote?

I was, and am, commenting on the post about the misrepresentation of the artist Kano, whose picture was used instead of Wiley's. My assumption would be that the article will be Jones' usual cliche laden diatribe as he himself has a history of shouting at clouds and im not a fan of his writing. If you want I will read and critique the piece, but that will be another 'sub thread' and won't be related to my responses above.

Had the Sun posted the wrong black rapper, Jones would be jumping up and down on it like a rabid dog

[biggbn]

George Smiley said:

biggbn said:

768 said:

Have you read the article?! The words that he wrote?

I was, and am, commenting on the post about the misrepresentation of the artist Kano, whose picture was used instead of Wiley's. My assumption would be that the article will be Jones' usual cliche laden diatribe as he himself has a history of shouting at clouds and im not a fan of his writing. If you want I will read and critique the piece, but that will be another 'sub thread' and won't be related to my responses above.

Had the Sun posted the wrong black rapper, Jones would be jumping up and down on it like a rabid dog

Agreed, and again for clarity, i was pointing out that the error would not have been Jones' fault but agree there is a delicious irony in the situation, not however of his making.

[George Smiley]

biggbn said:

Agreed, and again for clarity, i was pointing out that the error would not have been Jones' fault but agree there is a delicious irony in the situation, not however of his making.

But writing for the Guardian is a lifestyle choice he has made so he is responsible.

[768]

It's not irony that a mistake he purports to be a racist rightwing action was made by the Guardian!

[Digga]

George Smiley said:

biggbn said:

Agreed, and again for clarity, i was pointing out that the error would not have been Jones' fault but agree there is a delicious irony in the situation, not however of his making.

But writing for the Guardian is a lifestyle choice he has made so he is responsible.

Can we imagine the left-wing pile-on if, say Boris Josnon made a similar gaffe? God forbid that Farage did similar.

[Vanden Saab]

biggbn said:

George Smiley said:

biggbn said:

768 said:

Have you read the article?! The words that he wrote?

I was, and am, commenting on the post about the misrepresentation of the artist Kano, whose picture was used instead of Wiley's. My assumption would be that the article will be Jones' usual cliche laden diatribe as he himself has a history of shouting at clouds and im not a fan of his writing. If you want I will read and critique the piece, but that will be another 'sub thread' and won't be related to my responses above.

Had the Sun posted the wrong black rapper, Jones would be jumping up and down on it like a rabid dog

Agreed, and again for clarity, i was pointing out that the error would not have been Jones' fault but agree there is a delicious irony in the situation, not however of his making.

Would he not have been sent a copy of the article complete with pictures etc. before it was published to check that they have not changed the wording or context or does he just send the copy in and trust the Guardian not to change anything. Either way allowing his name to be put to something he has not checked before publication means he is equally responsible. Lesson learnt hopefully...

[williamp]

Maybe the staff of the Guardian need to attend some diversity and inclusion training?? First their historical links to the slave trade, now this...

[George Smiley]