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Mark Benson said:
In oppression/phobia Top Trumps it goes something like Islam>LGBT>BAME>Disabled>Women>everyone else>Jews. [/b].
I was under the impression it went >Muslims>LGBT>BAME>Disabled Women> Women>Disabled men>Whales>White Men>Slugs>Dungbeetles>Vultures>Tories>Hyenas>Plankton>Ebola>Israelis.esxste said:
ThunderGuts said:
I assume you accept that you have no idea of certain topics because you're not straight.
I'd be surprised if you could find a topic I have no idea in becuase I'm not straight. The world is massively, entirely straight focused. Understandable because ~95% of the population are straight. I've pretended to be straight. Acted straight. 24/7. For years.Straight people very, very rarely even consider the experiences of gay people. Let alone live their life.
There can be no argument that the attack was aimed at gays. The circumstances are clear enough.
Jones stated that it was both a terrorist attack and a homophobic attack but was told it was an attack against 'humanity'.
It was an attack against gays and to suggest that the rest of us suffered in the same way is a nonsense.
There have been a number or criticisms of Owen on this thread (talk about ad hominem), and whether they are right or not is not the issue. Gays were targeted.
It seems, given the released information which has probably been filtered, that the attacker was not Isis. He was a bloke with severe mental problems and used religion as an excuse, or reason, to justify the attack.
What Owen stated was quite right in that if the attack was on a synagogue the headlines would be about anti-semitism.
Whether he should have walked out or not is not the point.
Jones stated that it was both a terrorist attack and a homophobic attack but was told it was an attack against 'humanity'.
It was an attack against gays and to suggest that the rest of us suffered in the same way is a nonsense.
There have been a number or criticisms of Owen on this thread (talk about ad hominem), and whether they are right or not is not the issue. Gays were targeted.
It seems, given the released information which has probably been filtered, that the attacker was not Isis. He was a bloke with severe mental problems and used religion as an excuse, or reason, to justify the attack.
What Owen stated was quite right in that if the attack was on a synagogue the headlines would be about anti-semitism.
Whether he should have walked out or not is not the point.
AshBurrows said:
esxste said:
Why focus on Islam.
Christianity is just as barbaric.
Almost like they're based on the same thing.
Are there still Christian countries that punish homosexuality? And allow such barbarism towards women? Christianity is just as barbaric.
Almost like they're based on the same thing.
I'm asking an actual important question, not just looking for rhetoric. I know it's hard to get across on the internet but I want to actually know, I'm not looking to attack anyone's viewpoint or anything like that.
esxste said:
sidicks said:
As above:
Julia Hartley-Brewer calling it a homophobic attack no less than four times with Longhurst agreeing with her...
and each and every time they then quantify it as primarily "an attack on humanity". Julia Hartley-Brewer calling it a homophobic attack no less than four times with Longhurst agreeing with her...
AshBurrows said:
How does the far left come to terms with modern, gay, Western life being fundamentally incompatible with Islam? I've wondered the same about self confessed feminists and Islam. It's probably something that people are going to have to deal with quite soon and I'm wondering what they think? It never seems to be discussed and I'd love for Jones to answer this honestly.
I suspect that most lefties haven't stopped to think that far - Christianity is the focus of their ire and nothing can get in the way of that. Once they've 'won' that fight they'll try and turn their ire towards a far more intolerant societal structure - and will get their arses kicked since there is no 'turn the other cheek'The reason Jones left? The others failed to acknowledge his seniority of gayness. However, they were assuming their snotty seniority of gayness hierarchy by pretending not to see that angle in a faux auto-acceptance of all things gay. The 'I'm gayer than thou' sindrome (sic) and sick.
Thorodin said:
The reason Jones left? The others failed to acknowledge his seniority of gayness. However, they were assuming their snotty seniority of gayness hierarchy by pretending not to see that angle in a faux auto-acceptance of all things gay. The 'I'm gayer than thou' sindrome (sic) and sick.
Is there a pecking order in gays? All the ones I've met seem down to earth individuals. don4l said:
There are now reports that the attacker was gay. He had visited the club on 8 previous occasions.
Torn between what his ideologies and his persona .. being the violent bully (beating his partner around) he then decided to take it out on those that represented what he hated about himself?tarnished said:
Just because something's not a quote doesn't make it a strawman.
Owen Jones did at least as much interrupting as being interrupted as far as I could see.
If you feel that after an attack on an LGBT establishment, the most deadly of its kind in US history, the LGBT community is using it to claim a monopoly on persecution, you are outrageously cynical. Do you even have a concept of what empathy is?Owen Jones did at least as much interrupting as being interrupted as far as I could see.
ThunderGuts said:
Not really answered the question.
I think I did.If you asked me whether there were topics about being black, I'd say there is topics I have no idea about. If you asked me whether there were topics about being deaf , I'd say there are topics I have no clue about.
Straight? I've got a pretty good idea about it. How could anyone not, when it is the unarguably dominant sexuality in society? Even were I not born to straight parents, with straight siblings, Aunties, Uncles, Grandparents, cousins; mainstream culture deals with every aspect of being straight in a very comprehensive manner.
irocfan said:
actually as much as it hurts try going to some African countries (nominally Christian) and you'd see barbarism practiced against gays, no question. Or certain sections of (especially) the southern US and you'd see some pretty shocking attitudes towards gays also.... that being said to call Christianity just as barbaric is arrant nonsense and something that all flavours of sexual preference would do well to think about
"as much as it hurts?" Christianity isn't barbaric? Have you read the bible? Have any concept of the horrors committed even in this century by "good christians"? It's hypocritical to dismiss the "islam is a religion of peace" crowd while thinking that Christianity is peaceful. Which is why I dismiss both for being the hateful things they are.
esxste said:
"as much as it hurts?"
Christianity isn't barbaric? Have you read the bible? Have any concept of the horrors committed even in this century by "good christians"? It's hypocritical to dismiss the "islam is a religion of peace" crowd while thinking that Christianity is peaceful. Which is why I dismiss both for being the hateful things they are.
And likewise we can dismiss some of your opinions for the ignorant ones that they are?Christianity isn't barbaric? Have you read the bible? Have any concept of the horrors committed even in this century by "good christians"? It's hypocritical to dismiss the "islam is a religion of peace" crowd while thinking that Christianity is peaceful. Which is why I dismiss both for being the hateful things they are.
esxste said:
"as much as it hurts?"
Christianity isn't barbaric? Have you read the bible? Have any concept of the horrors committed even in this century by "good christians"? It's hypocritical to dismiss the "islam is a religion of peace" crowd while thinking that Christianity is peaceful. Which is why I dismiss both for being the hateful things they are.
Hateful is being polite. More vile institutions would be hard to find. Christianity isn't barbaric? Have you read the bible? Have any concept of the horrors committed even in this century by "good christians"? It's hypocritical to dismiss the "islam is a religion of peace" crowd while thinking that Christianity is peaceful. Which is why I dismiss both for being the hateful things they are.
Smollet said:
Is there a pecking order in gays? All the ones I've met seem down to earth individuals.
Just for clarity, it was an oblique reference to Owens' mind set about knowing all things about everything and nobody knows more or better. Whenever he can't get his way, because of him being in the company of higher thinkers than the obvious, he craaps, stamps his feet, shouts, and runs away. Histrionic to a fault. fido said:
don4l said:
There are now reports that the attacker was gay. He had visited the club on 8 previous occasions.
Torn between what his ideologies and his persona .. being the violent bully (beating his partner around) he then decided to take it out on those that represented what he hated about himself?Also, this is not a common occurance, so do we really have an issue that needs to be dealt with?
I have a brother who is gay. Coming out was a bigger issue for him than it was for the rest of the family. We had known for years anyway.
esxste said:
irocfan said:
actually as much as it hurts try going to some African countries (nominally Christian) and you'd see barbarism practiced against gays, no question. Or certain sections of (especially) the southern US and you'd see some pretty shocking attitudes towards gays also.... that being said to call Christianity just as barbaric is arrant nonsense and something that all flavours of sexual preference would do well to think about
"as much as it hurts?" Christianity isn't barbaric? Have you read the bible? Have any concept of the horrors committed even in this century by "good christians"? It's hypocritical to dismiss the "islam is a religion of peace" crowd while thinking that Christianity is peaceful. Which is why I dismiss both for being the hateful things they are.
murder (Exodus 21:12)
kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)
bestiality (Exodus 22:19)
adultery (Leviticus 20:10)
homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13)
being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5)
prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24)
You may not like it, you may not agree with it but to compare it to IS's version of Islam is asinine
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