Labour MP Jo Cox Shot

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Vaud

50,695 posts

156 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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An awful, brutal murder but a false correlation to the vote outcome I think.

JuanCarlosFandango

7,828 posts

72 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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It was certainly presented at the time as proof that the Leave vote was a toxic pool of violent right wing extremism. I put that down to the Remain campaign's desperation in the final days of the campaign but I don't think it influenced many people.

Bullett

10,892 posts

185 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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My recollection was that the majority of polls were saying remain to win.


Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

103 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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I recall seeing a graph that showed the vote was approx 55/45 in favour of leave , but then it narrowed on the event of her murder. It could be coincidence , but if i were a betting man , I'd bet on it not being so.

rscott

14,789 posts

192 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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JPJPJP said:
Andrew Lilico on Twitter

It's impossible to avoid the thought that that 4-6% margin that the murder of Jo Cox cost the Leave vote in 2016 has had a profound impact on politics. (Leave was 10% ahead & rising, before her horrific murder.) One of the most influential assassinations in British history.

https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/107320095...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-how-right-or-wrong-were-the-polls/ doesn't seem to show a 10% lead?

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

170 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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The murder was certainly used to the max by team Remain, and perhaps it did take some votes from the Leave side. However I don’t remember anywhere predicting a Leave win or suggesting they were ahead?

Probably not the best tweet to make considering the mental fragility and faux outrage of Twitter users, he’s certainly poked the nest hehe

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

137 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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The Twitter outrage was of course completely predictable. Back in the real world no one will notice.




RJG46

980 posts

69 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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rscott said:
JPJPJP said:
Andrew Lilico on Twitter

It's impossible to avoid the thought that that 4-6% margin that the murder of Jo Cox cost the Leave vote in 2016 has had a profound impact on politics. (Leave was 10% ahead & rising, before her horrific murder.) One of the most influential assassinations in British history.

https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/107320095...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-how-right-or-wrong-were-the-polls/ doesn't seem to show a 10% lead?
No, polls mostly showed a win for Remain.

Amateurish

7,758 posts

223 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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He seems like a troll, but the polls do seem to bear out the fact that there was a noticeable shift to remain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_...

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Funny thing that I seem to remember some of the pious types giving lectures on here too
One pro upset type wished the whole business over with for the divisions it caused
Hasn't stopped him banging on about it since mind

JagLover

42,509 posts

236 months

Saturday 15th December 2018
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Amateurish said:
He seems like a troll, but the polls do seem to bear out the fact that there was a noticeable shift to remain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_...
I think the problem for the pollsters was that many unengaged with politics came out to vote in the referendum. The raw data would (likely) have been adjusted for like-hood to vote so the pollsters systematically underestimated Leave support.

I vaguely recall there was a study that corrected for this and found the Cox murder moved voters from Leave to Remain by a couple of percentage points.

B'stard Child

28,456 posts

247 months

Saturday 15th December 2018
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JagLover said:
Amateurish said:
He seems like a troll, but the polls do seem to bear out the fact that there was a noticeable shift to remain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_...
I think the problem for the pollsters was that many unengaged with politics came out to vote in the referendum. The raw data would (likely) have been adjusted for like-hood to vote so the pollsters systematically underestimated Leave support.

I vaguely recall there was a study that corrected for this and found the Cox murder moved voters from Leave to Remain by a couple of percentage points.