Lots of angry people today.
Discussion
I still don't think we will actually leave. Regardless of which way you voted can you imagine the fury of the nation as a whole at a pm who flicked the switch and led the uk into a black hole? (if you believe that doomsday will still happen).
As the eu have said several times they aren't going to let us cherry pick the nice bits and why should they, what do you think other countries will try and do. I do believe though that they do not want us to leave and nor do the majority of the government and i think there will be some quiet relaxing of past statements.
As i said on the day, a deal will be struck, it will possibly be marginally better than we have now. By that stage the public will be begging for us to remain because of the relentless pursuit of recession from the bbc which will happen because the public are told we will have one.
It will be sold to us as the best possible option and for the good of the country, everyone will be relieved, a few will be furious but will soon be forgotten about as the constant flow of lease mercs arrives on our shores.
As the eu have said several times they aren't going to let us cherry pick the nice bits and why should they, what do you think other countries will try and do. I do believe though that they do not want us to leave and nor do the majority of the government and i think there will be some quiet relaxing of past statements.
As i said on the day, a deal will be struck, it will possibly be marginally better than we have now. By that stage the public will be begging for us to remain because of the relentless pursuit of recession from the bbc which will happen because the public are told we will have one.
It will be sold to us as the best possible option and for the good of the country, everyone will be relieved, a few will be furious but will soon be forgotten about as the constant flow of lease mercs arrives on our shores.
///ajd said:
Are we still brexiting?
I thought everyone was getting bored of that now. The fact that its increasingly obvious its a totally daft idea seems to be sinking in across the board, apart from with the hardcore isolationistas.
Give it another week or two and we'll be onto the next fad.
What do you think will happen?I thought everyone was getting bored of that now. The fact that its increasingly obvious its a totally daft idea seems to be sinking in across the board, apart from with the hardcore isolationistas.
Give it another week or two and we'll be onto the next fad.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Smiler. said:
Is everyone still angry or have they gotten the sand out now?
I dared to check back in on FB today, a week on. Nope, still people whinging and moaning and worryingly massive support for a one Jeremy Corbyn. I can't fathom that one.Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
AJS- said:
It's definitely dying away though. The reality that they have lost and we are leaving the EU is sinking in.
Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
I really don't get why people are still convinced we're not going to leave? Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
Are they not listening to every single leadership candidate?
bmw535i said:
AJS- said:
It's definitely dying away though. The reality that they have lost and we are leaving the EU is sinking in.
Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
I really don't get why people are still convinced we're not going to leave? Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
Are they not listening to every single leadership candidate?
bmw535i said:
I really don't get why people are still convinced we're not going to leave?
Are they not listening to every single leadership candidate?
I'm still not sure what "Leave" means. I guess we won't know what it means until about 2 years after the Article 50 Act of Parliament is passed and the negotiations are done.Are they not listening to every single leadership candidate?
I suspect whether the deal is seen as good for Leavers or Remainers will depend on what specific aspects of the EU the individual dislikes/likes. It's easy to say "we're not in the EU" but if we are still paying to be part of the free market and have the consequential free movement of labour and likely other reciprocal agreements, is that far enough "Out" for Leavers? Is it still "In" enough for Remainers?
bmw535i said:
AJS- said:
It's definitely dying away though. The reality that they have lost and we are leaving the EU is sinking in.
Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
I really don't get why people are still convinced we're not going to leave? Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
Are they not listening to every single leadership candidate?
It's why we're in the mess. No political party thought it was a good idea, none expected it to happen and none have any plans for it happening. Apart from maybe Nigel Farage, but the electorate forgot he doesn't have a political mandate in parliament.
If this is 'taking back control', I'm not sure I want it.
biggles330d said:
Well, I don't recall any single leadership candidate or any respected business, economic or financial body, or leader of any other nation telling us leaving was a good idea in the first place and it would lead to chaos. The people seem happy to have not listened to any of their warnings then and voted out anyway. Surprise surprise, the world seems to be going to hell in a hand cart just as predicted.
It's why we're in the mess. No political party thought it was a good idea, none expected it to happen and none have any plans for it happening. Apart from maybe Nigel Farage, but the electorate forgot he doesn't have a political mandate in parliament.
If this is 'taking back control', I'm not sure I want it.
I think you need to calm down. "Chaos", "going to hell", "mess" etc. It's done, accept it, move on. It's why we're in the mess. No political party thought it was a good idea, none expected it to happen and none have any plans for it happening. Apart from maybe Nigel Farage, but the electorate forgot he doesn't have a political mandate in parliament.
If this is 'taking back control', I'm not sure I want it.
AJS- said:
Mr Snrub said:
Boris poppped down to Cornwall today, still people on the local news moaning about the decision
They'll whinge for years to come. It might even end up surpassing Thatcher as the root of all our problems. If we follow through this could make what thatch did to the miners looks like a kiddies tea party.
Imagine the day it is declared we will mess with the single market and free movement, and the car & aerospace factories upsticks.
Most MPs realise its a total mess.
It is clear that May is not convinced, but she is makng soothing noises to the noisy brexiteers. She will win and engineer an acceptable basis for u-turn, probably by proving by negotiation that exit is not as good as staying and also perhaps using it to modify the course of the EU slightly. Thats why she is so popular.
Gove is promising to leave the single market to make sure he doesn't win I suspect.
///ajd said:
Quite possibly.
If we follow through this could make what thatch did to the miners looks like a kiddies tea party.
Imagine the day it is declared we will mess with the single market and free movement, and the car & aerospace factories upsticks.
Most MPs realise its a total mess.
It is clear that May is not convinced, but she is makng soothing noises to the noisy brexiteers. She will win and engineer an acceptable basis for u-turn, probably by proving by negotiation that exit is not as good as staying and also perhaps using it to modify the course of the EU slightly. Thats why she is so popular.
Gove is promising to leave the single market to make sure he doesn't win I suspect.
So when May says this below, how do you interpret it?If we follow through this could make what thatch did to the miners looks like a kiddies tea party.
Imagine the day it is declared we will mess with the single market and free movement, and the car & aerospace factories upsticks.
Most MPs realise its a total mess.
It is clear that May is not convinced, but she is makng soothing noises to the noisy brexiteers. She will win and engineer an acceptable basis for u-turn, probably by proving by negotiation that exit is not as good as staying and also perhaps using it to modify the course of the EU slightly. Thats why she is so popular.
Gove is promising to leave the single market to make sure he doesn't win I suspect.
"After taking a low-key role as a supporter of Remain in the EU referendum, Mrs May made clear she will not attempt to back away from last week's vote to leave the EU, saying "Brexit means Brexit".
biggles330d said:
bmw535i said:
AJS- said:
It's definitely dying away though. The reality that they have lost and we are leaving the EU is sinking in.
Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
I really don't get why people are still convinced we're not going to leave? Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
Are they not listening to every single leadership candidate?
It's why we're in the mess. No political party thought it was a good idea, none expected it to happen and none have any plans for it happening. Apart from maybe Nigel Farage, but the electorate forgot he doesn't have a political mandate in parliament.
If this is 'taking back control', I'm not sure I want it.
Edited by Garvin on Saturday 2nd July 09:05
biggles330d said:
bmw535i said:
AJS- said:
It's definitely dying away though. The reality that they have lost and we are leaving the EU is sinking in.
Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
I really don't get why people are still convinced we're not going to leave? Brexit will be the new austerity or maybe even the new Thatcher for years, but it is a reality.
Are they not listening to every single leadership candidate?
It's why we're in the mess. No political party thought it was a good idea, none expected it to happen and none have any plans for it happening. Apart from maybe Nigel Farage, but the electorate forgot he doesn't have a political mandate in parliament.
If this is 'taking back control', I'm not sure I want it.
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