Lots of angry people today.
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superlightr said:
I questioned the most people on PH comment.
There are so many sub divisions even on the degree statistic to be meaningless. And then even more so when comparing people who may have a degree, dead end jobs, retired, self employed etc. Its meaningless.
The only fact to take from it all is that more people voted to leave and that its fair to say a wide mix of all demographics voted to leave.
You're only saying that because you look around and don't like being in the same group as the less well off, the unemployed and less educated.There are so many sub divisions even on the degree statistic to be meaningless. And then even more so when comparing people who may have a degree, dead end jobs, retired, self employed etc. Its meaningless.
The only fact to take from it all is that more people voted to leave and that its fair to say a wide mix of all demographics voted to leave.
Edited by superlightr on Monday 4th July 12:34
These aren't made up statistics or meaningless at all. The fact is certain demographics voted in certain ways. It's not unusual or surprising in any way at all. The results regarding the demographics were exactly as predicted. It doesn't mean that you or your friends are less well off or less educated.
el stovey said:
You're only saying that because you look around and don't like being in the same group as the less well off, the unemployed and less educated.
These aren't made up statistics or meaningless at all. The fact is certain demographics voted in certain ways. It's not unusual or surprising in any way at all. The results regarding the demographics were exactly as predicted. It doesn't mean that you or your friends are less well off or less educated.
That is not even a consideration. These aren't made up statistics or meaningless at all. The fact is certain demographics voted in certain ways. It's not unusual or surprising in any way at all. The results regarding the demographics were exactly as predicted. It doesn't mean that you or your friends are less well off or less educated.
I have no shame voting the same way as the majority of the people in the UK and it matters not to me their demographics.
Its an individual choice. I voted becasue I know it was the right way for my conscience and beliefs. Others will vote for what they think is best.
Edited by superlightr on Monday 4th July 12:55
Edited by superlightr on Monday 4th July 13:00
walm said:
rb5er said:
Your "generally speaking" is b
ks.
ks. 
Myth busted.
Axionknight said:
A bigger factor is age. Many people my age (28) went to Uni, fewer of my Dads age (58) went and even less of my Grandads age (84) went and older people were more inclined to vote leave as we all know. The education thing is just a big white elephant to make it look like people who voted leave were uneducated and foolish simply because they didn't have the opportunities to go to University in the same way younger generations did, which is by no means a bad thing of course.
Myth busted.
thank you - exactly what I was trying to say but you did it eloquently - Myth busted.
superlightr said:
Axionknight said:
A bigger factor is age. Many people my age (28) went to Uni, fewer of my Dads age (58) went and even less of my Grandads age (84) went and older people were more inclined to vote leave as we all know. The education thing is just a big white elephant to make it look like people who voted leave were uneducated and foolish simply because they didn't have the opportunities to go to University in the same way younger generations did, which is by no means a bad thing of course.
Myth busted.
thank you - exactly what I was trying to say but you did it eloquently - Myth busted.
Axionknight said:
Myth busted.
Believe it or not but before writing "the strongest correlation between the vote for Leave and any key demographic measure is with the share of people holding a degree" the FT did measure the correlation of the most obvious demo of them all: age.They weren't lying - the correlation was strong with age but not as strong as with having a degree.
Just saying that fewer older people have a degree points to age having a SIMILAR correlation but the stronger one is the degree one.
Myth not a myth!
Axionknight said:
A bigger factor is age. Many people my age (28) went to Uni, fewer of my Dads age (58) went and even less of my Grandads age (84) went and older people were more inclined to vote leave as we all know. The education thing is just a big white elephant to make it look like people who voted leave were uneducated and foolish simply because they didn't have the opportunities to go to University in the same way younger generations did, which is by no means a bad thing of course.
Myth busted.
Not busted at all, check previous page for Ashcroft poll. Still don't see why people take this personally. Myth busted.
Sam All said:
el stovey said:
Less well educated people of any age group were more likely to vote leave.
The street smart, compared to the school smart, more likely to vote leave 
Is that a bad thing?
indeed, some of the most naive, impractical and downright ignorant people I know are also those who on paper are most highly qualified. Spending 3 years shagging and drinking whilst writing the occaisional essay does not automatically make you a life long towering intellect.
Axionknight said:
walm said:
rb5er said:
Your "generally speaking" is bks.
ks. Myth busted.
If age had a stronger correlation, then that statement would be a lie.
Myth Plausible.
Axionknight said:
walm said:
rb5er said:
Your "generally speaking" is bks.
ks. Myth busted.
boxxob said:
Besides, these charts assume that Remain voters, even ones who could wave a business studies, accounting, or law degree around (come one, who does any of those for the pursuit of academic interest) have actually any more understanding of the vote than simple rubbish, misinformed rationales, such as: 'I am not racist'; 'I want to visit Europe in future'; 'without the EU would would have slavery and cannibalism' (last one is a jokey extreme parody)
You are reading far more into the chart than is there on the paper.It tells you nothing about "understanding of the vote" at all.
It literally says that FOR WHATEVER REASON there was a slightly higher tendency to vote Remain if you have a degree.
That's it!!
Timmy40 said:
indeed, some of the most naive, impractical and downright ignorant people I know are also those who on paper are most highly qualified. Spending 3 years shagging and drinking whilst writing the occaisional essay does not automatically make you a life long towering intellect.
Sam All said:
el stovey said:
Less well educated people of any age group were more likely to vote leave.
The street smart, compared to the school smart, more likely to vote leave Is that a bad thing?One group is more likely to be - Better educated (in all age groups), better paid, home owners, more likely to be employed,
Group b is more likely to be - Less educated, lower paid, home renters, more likely to be unemployed and on benefits.
Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?
el stovey said:
So if I presented you with two groups of people.
One group is more likely to be - Better educated (in all age groups), better paid, home owners, more likely to be employed,
Group b is more likely to be - Less educated, lower paid, home renters, more likely to be unemployed and on benefits.
Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?
So the haves versus the have nots - let them eat cake!One group is more likely to be - Better educated (in all age groups), better paid, home owners, more likely to be employed,
Group b is more likely to be - Less educated, lower paid, home renters, more likely to be unemployed and on benefits.
Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?
Great way to run a country.........
Rovinghawk said:
el stovey said:
Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?
In a pure democracy, whichever group is larger.In reality, I think some of your assumptions are unwarranted.
el stovey said:
Sam All said:
el stovey said:
Less well educated people of any age group were more likely to vote leave.
The street smart, compared to the school smart, more likely to vote leave Is that a bad thing?One group is more likely to be - Better educated (in all age groups), better paid, home owners, more likely to be employed,
Group b is more likely to be - Less educated, lower paid, home renters, more likely to be unemployed and on benefits.
Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?
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