Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[Jockman]

FiF said:

hidetheelephants said:

It's hard to believe you're still going on about how terrible not being in the Erasmus programme will be given there are non-EU participants and it's entirely feasible that we will continue to take part. It's also a bit ironic given the UK initially fought against Erasmus as it duplicated the work of already existing exchange programmes the UK was involved in.

I don't get it either, there seems to be an assumption that everything loosely associated with the EU will just automatically be thrown out or participation be denied. Erasmus and research programmes, it's been pointed out before that non EU nations are allowed to participate. Even in EUfunded research there are regulations which state categorically that non EU nations can participate and have equal voting rights. I've participated in such projects alongside others from Japan and Norway, to name but two nations. It's been pointed out but deliberately ignored in order to create disturbance and unrest. Another version of make stuff up so as to knock it down.

I think most observers of these threads can see through the nonsense.

[///ajd]

Elysium said:

That article includes a link to John Redwoods blog:

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

He wants no negotiation on taking back control of our laws, money and borders. The hardest of hard Brexits then. I think this and the telegraph article start to show how the simple leave / remain vote now fans out into a myriad of different views of what is acceptable. With people like Redwood arguing that HIS version is the one with the majority mandate.

Expect more of this as we move closer to an acceptable 'compromise' Brexit deal. The biggest risk to leaving is now the hardline leave campaigners. The vast majority of people will be 'middle ground' on the issue. On balance the majority want to leave, but they don't want unnecessary pain.

Oh .. and his entry on recession is just facile. London is still a forest of construction cranes. Does he not understand that developers have entered into binding construction contracts and cannot simply ask the contractor to pack up and go home. Of course the cranes are still there you moron. They have no choice other than to complete the works and try to let the buildings in whatever market they find themselves.

Its quite "evil tory" isn't it.

You can see he doesn't give a toss about the pain his extreme brexit would inflict.

Nice to see few brexiters seem to give a toss about erasmus, or still think there is no risk of any negative change. I still hope it might be protected, but it is sad how - like many other things - it is not really valued at all.

[Jockman]

turbobloke said:

With CMD and GOO abrogating responsibility for planning ahead (contingency planning) based on their arrogant assumption of a Remain win while avoiding FoIA requests that would expose their spin, a multiplicity of views prior to negotiations starting is inevitable. Some views of some individuals are interesting but don't carry any weight at this stage.

Decent post.

I watched Dateline London on Saturday (apologies) and the NYT chap noted that 'smugness' could see America sleepwalk into a Trump Presidency.

I think the implication a propos Brexit was in there.

[Jockman]

///ajd said:

Nice to see few brexiters seem to give a toss about erasmus, or still think there is no risk of any negative change. I still hope it might be protected, but it is sad how - like many other things - it is not really valued at all.

It is part of negotiations. As is everything. Including the kitchen sink.

You can either be confident that a lot of things will remain the same, or you can worry they might not be.

[Jockman]

Elysium said:

Oh .. and his entry on recession is just facile. London is still a forest of construction cranes. Does he not understand that developers have entered into binding construction contracts and cannot simply ask the contractor to pack up and go home. Of course the cranes are still there you moron. They have no choice other than to complete the works and try to let the buildings in whatever market they find themselves.

It's also interesting to note that in the recent Markit PMI 'flash' (the first one ever done on the UK in the 20 years of PMI), one area is NOT included.....Construction.

So, in the full PMI to be released in August we will have the confidence of an extra 6 days of Theresa May's PM (21st to 27th July) and a reduction in uncertainty.

But you will also have Construction included.

Should be interesting.

[///ajd]

Jockman said:

It is part of negotiations. As is everything. Including the kitchen sink.

You can either be confident that a lot of things will remain the same, or you can worry they might not be.

It would be good to see some recognition that some of these things are worth saving.

I guess reading less John Redwood blogs would help with your latter point!

[Jockman]

///ajd said:

Jockman said:

It is part of negotiations. As is everything. Including the kitchen sink.

You can either be confident that a lot of things will remain the same, or you can worry they might not be.

It would be good to see some recognition that some of these things are worth saving.

I guess reading less John Redwood blogs would help with your latter point!

That would be useful

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

It's also interesting to note that in the recent Markit PMI 'flash' (the first one ever done on the UK in the 20 years of PMI), one area is NOT included.....Construction.

So, in the full PMI to be released in August we will have the confidence of an extra 6 days of Theresa May's PM (21st to 27th July) and a reduction in uncertainty.

But you will also have Construction included.

Should be interesting.

Any idea of why construction was not included now?

[Jockman]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

It's also interesting to note that in the recent Markit PMI 'flash' (the first one ever done on the UK in the 20 years of PMI), one area is NOT included.....Construction.

So, in the full PMI to be released in August we will have the confidence of an extra 6 days of Theresa May's PM (21st to 27th July) and a reduction in uncertainty.

But you will also have Construction included.

Should be interesting.

Any idea of why construction was not included now?

No idea JJ. Perhaps a 'flash' per se does not include every item that a full one would??

[Jockman]

To give you a wee bit of context, the French PMI has just risen to 50, from 49.4 IIRC.

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

No idea JJ. Perhaps a 'flash' per se does not include every item that a full one would??

Thanks. Make sense. Let's hope that that one looks better. Even if slightly, it could be start of an upward trend.

[anonymous-user]

Elysium said:

Oh .. and his entry on recession is just facile. London is still a forest of construction cranes. Does he not understand that developers have entered into binding construction contracts and cannot simply ask the contractor to pack up and go home. Of course the cranes are still there you moron. They have no choice other than to complete the works and try to let the buildings in whatever market they find themselves.

You cant have done much travelling in Southern Europe in the last few years then. Spain and Portugal are awash with half finished building projects from 2008. All the machinery is still on site, just abandoned and left to rot.

This isn't in hell holes either, some of the 5 star complexes I stay in (they are as cheap as the local 3 star to get business in) have half the site finished, half just an abandoned building site.

[don'tbesilly]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

No idea JJ. Perhaps a 'flash' per se does not include every item that a full one would??

Thanks. Make sense. Let's hope that that one looks better. Even if slightly, it could be start of an upward trend.

I hope I'm wrong, but being in Construction I doubt you'll see any upward trend, it only seems to be going one way currently.

[Jockman]

don'tbesilly said:

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

No idea JJ. Perhaps a 'flash' per se does not include every item that a full one would??

Thanks. Make sense. Let's hope that that one looks better. Even if slightly, it could be start of an upward trend.

I hope I'm wrong, but being in Construction I doubt you'll see any upward trend, it only seems to be going one way currently.

I'm not overly optimistic on the August release either. Should be interesting !!

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

don'tbesilly said:

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

No idea JJ. Perhaps a 'flash' per se does not include every item that a full one would??

Thanks. Make sense. Let's hope that that one looks better. Even if slightly, it could be start of an upward trend.

I hope I'm wrong, but being in Construction I doubt you'll see any upward trend, it only seems to be going one way currently.

I'm not overly optimistic on the August release either. Should be interesting !!

I thought it was my job as a remainer to be pessimistic. Cmon, lets talk the country up! It will be better! Upwards and onwards.

[FiF]

Re Spock, aka John Redwood, I reckon most sensible Leavers have regarded him in the same light as Farage for some time, more hindrance than help, my view certainly.

[Jockman]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

don'tbesilly said:

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

No idea JJ. Perhaps a 'flash' per se does not include every item that a full one would??

Thanks. Make sense. Let's hope that that one looks better. Even if slightly, it could be start of an upward trend.

I hope I'm wrong, but being in Construction I doubt you'll see any upward trend, it only seems to be going one way currently.

I'm not overly optimistic on the August release either. Should be interesting !!

I thought it was my job as a remainer to be pessimistic. Cmon, lets talk the country up! It will be better! Upwards and onwards.

Lol.

I have to weigh up 6 days of extra certainty against including Construction figures.....

On the bright side, leaving the EU will eradicate 32% EU tariffs on worldwide wine imports

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

Lol.

I have to weigh up 6 days of extra certainty against including Construction figures.....

On the bright side, leaving the EU will eradicate 32% EU tariffs on worldwide wine imports

Is it that much? Jesus. I have to say I was pretty shocked when read 400% tax on import of French cheese to Norway. Seems 'a bit' too much.

[don'tbesilly]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

don'tbesilly said:

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

No idea JJ. Perhaps a 'flash' per se does not include every item that a full one would??

Thanks. Make sense. Let's hope that that one looks better. Even if slightly, it could be start of an upward trend.

I hope I'm wrong, but being in Construction I doubt you'll see any upward trend, it only seems to be going one way currently.

I'm not overly optimistic on the August release either. Should be interesting !!

I thought it was my job as a remainer to be pessimistic. Cmon, lets talk the country up! It will be better! Upwards and onwards.

I thought I'd get ahead of the crowd, as when August comes around and the full figures are released, PH will probably implode with the negativity content quota being maxed out.

Construction has been on a downward curve for some time, so the August release won't come as a surprise (to me anyway):

[Jockman]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

Lol.

I have to weigh up 6 days of extra certainty against including Construction figures.....

On the bright side, leaving the EU will eradicate 32% EU tariffs on worldwide wine imports

Is it that much? Jesus. I have to say I was pretty shocked when read 400% tax on import of French cheese to Norway. Seems 'a bit' too much.

Average EU tariff is apparently 3.6%....rising to 10% on cars (as you know) etc.

If the Average is indeed 3.6% there must be many products on less.