Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
Esseesse said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
We were not electing him. And I'd rather we didn't spend the entirety of our EU contributions on the NHS.You just can't trust these politicians nowadays, telling untruths to get your vote.
Monkeylegend said:
Esseesse said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
We were not electing him. And I'd rather we didn't spend the entirety of our EU contributions on the NHS.You just can't trust these politicians nowadays, telling untruths to get your vote.
Esseesse said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
We were not electing him. And I'd rather we didn't spend the entirety of our EU contributions on the NHS.rscott said:
Monkeylegend said:
Mr_B said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
Link ?DMN said:
Another regretfull brexiter:
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...
Even with the referendum now over, the irrelevant trivia just keeps on coming. http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...
No wonder the Remoaners have absolutely no idea why the majority of the country have voted in this way if they just feed themselves with horsesh*t all day long.
Weather it will happen or not I don't know, however I would guess there will be some attempts to make it happen;
The EU don't want UK to leave as this risks the whole EU so called "project"
Germany definitely don't want us to leave as they are no looking at much bigger bills
Most of the UK Government don't want us to leave
I'm not saying it's right but I can see an announcement in due course, before we've issued article 50, saying the EU has listened and is planning these reforms for all members, etc, etc.
The UK will then have a new referendum on the "New Europe" (and probably nothing will change in Europe )
The EU don't want UK to leave as this risks the whole EU so called "project"
Germany definitely don't want us to leave as they are no looking at much bigger bills
Most of the UK Government don't want us to leave
I'm not saying it's right but I can see an announcement in due course, before we've issued article 50, saying the EU has listened and is planning these reforms for all members, etc, etc.
The UK will then have a new referendum on the "New Europe" (and probably nothing will change in Europe )
rscott said:
Puggit said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what concessions would you like to see the EU offer?
It's a very valid question, and actually not one I was ready to answer. Your ideas are certainly in the right direction, but will they appeal to the mass of Labour voters who swung this?
IMHO, control of immigration is the biggest single issue, particularly with the working class, Labour voters is that of eastern Europeans providing cheap labour (skilled and unskilled) and displacing the locals.
The other ideas, meh!
Monkeylegend said:
Esseesse said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
We were not electing him. And I'd rather we didn't spend the entirety of our EU contributions on the NHS.You just can't trust these politicians nowadays, telling untruths to get your vote.
The interviewer asked him a ridiculous question, I don't believe she's that ignorant, she was simply relying on the ignorance of viewers.
Cameron is gone, hopefully antisemite Corbyn will be next, - what we really need is PR at the next GE.
Leaving the EU is only the first step. Remoaners seem very short sighted.
I think it would be a sensible result to bring together Norway, Switzerland and others in a formalised Associate Membership with a payment based on population for access to the single market, going to support the economic development of poorer EU countries, just as we do with our Overseas Development budget.
The Associate Membership would have a Points based visa system, with EU citizens getting extra points or a priority allocation on numbers.
It would help the EU to grow without being "all or nothing" and would give us the sovereignty, some cost savings and control over migration we seek.
All the better is that I suspect the Eurocrats would hate it, but the European leaders would see the benefit of decoupling Countries that don't want, or can't cope with core -EU (largely Euro) membership. Greece could step down to it, for example.
kiethton said:
Digga said:
DMN said:
DMN said:
Seems some brexiters are having second thoughts now the damage has been done (video near the top):
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts
Another regretfull brexiter:https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...
Anyway, the uncertainty, that's a done deal, you can't wind the clock back on that one. Classic case of buyers remorse; plenty here on PH know about that through the car trade.
Esseesse said:
kiethton said:
Digga said:
DMN said:
DMN said:
Seems some brexiters are having second thoughts now the damage has been done (video near the top):
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts
Another regretfull brexiter:https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...
Anyway, the uncertainty, that's a done deal, you can't wind the clock back on that one. Classic case of buyers remorse; plenty here on PH know about that through the car trade.
loafer123 said:
I think it would be a sensible result to bring together Norway, Switzerland and others in a formalised Associate Membership with a payment based on population for access to the single market, going to support the economic development of poorer EU countries, just as we do with our Overseas Development budget.
The Associate Membership would have a Points based visa system, with EU citizens getting extra points or a priority allocation on numbers.
It would help the EU to grow without being "all or nothing" and would give us the sovereignty, some cost savings and control over migration we seek.
All the better is that I suspect the Eurocrats would hate it, but the European leaders would see the benefit of decoupling Countries that don't want, or can't cope with core -EU (largely Euro) membership. Greece could step down to it, for example.
It could be called the EA, European Alliance, and over time we could probably invite/persuade lots of other European countries to join us. France, Holland, Denmark, Italy amongst others are talking about a referendum to exit the EU, we could welcome them to the EA.The Associate Membership would have a Points based visa system, with EU citizens getting extra points or a priority allocation on numbers.
It would help the EU to grow without being "all or nothing" and would give us the sovereignty, some cost savings and control over migration we seek.
All the better is that I suspect the Eurocrats would hate it, but the European leaders would see the benefit of decoupling Countries that don't want, or can't cope with core -EU (largely Euro) membership. Greece could step down to it, for example.
What could possibly go wrong.
On one of the threads on here, this was suggested as a strategy given that it is clear that we were prevented from negotiating fairly whilst remaining in the EU. Can't remember who suggested it though
And that is exactly why I voted leave. Can't get a result with the EU as-is? Leave and see if there stance changes when losing a major contributor. If it doesn't, no great loss as we would continue to pay and be stitched up for things that we can undoubtedly do better independently IMHO.
Anyway, the downside to this is that if we get the deal we want, then the other members who,are disgruntled will be having referendums to do the same.m the EU will probably collapse in its current version anyway.
And that is exactly why I voted leave. Can't get a result with the EU as-is? Leave and see if there stance changes when losing a major contributor. If it doesn't, no great loss as we would continue to pay and be stitched up for things that we can undoubtedly do better independently IMHO.
Anyway, the downside to this is that if we get the deal we want, then the other members who,are disgruntled will be having referendums to do the same.m the EU will probably collapse in its current version anyway.
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