Is Boris sh*tting himself?
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
MarshPhantom said:
Diderot said:
Fact is the are 16 million voters blaming Boris on Brexit; he knew he'd be unelectable in general election. It's that simple.
Exactly, he's made himself very unpopular. He's gone from lovable fool to village idiot.
are greatly exaggerated.It's disappointing not to have him in the mix and after his role in the referendum he should have been prepared to front up. Given a week is a long time in politics, he'll do an Arnie as you suggest.
Jabbah said:
Sam All said:
He has not done badly for himself so far. His story is far from over. He just does not want to be at front, knowing there are many land mines strewed all over the place.
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MarshPhantom said:
Diderot said:
Fact is the are 16 million voters blaming Boris on Brexit; he knew he'd be unelectable in general election. It's that simple.
Exactly, he's made himself very unpopular. He's gone from lovable fool to village idiot.Kind of messed up logic as there are 17m voters celebrating him in leading the leave campaign.........
Many of the 16 million (and I'm one of them) are natural Tory voters. A far greater proportion of the 17 million aren't.
There's no way the Northern Working Class leave voters would vote Tory in a national election regardless of whom their leader is, but with the remain voters, far more of them are likely to do so, but probably not if Boris was at the helm.
I've only ever voted Conservative. If Crabb, Gove or May (in order of preference) win, then I'll almost certainly do so again, and probably would under Andrea whatever her name is, but I'd never heard of her until 5 minutes ago. Liam Fox I'm a little less convinced about. Didn't he have to resign a cabinet post over some sort of scandal?
The one thing that is absolutely clear is that I'd never, ever vote for a Conservative party led by Boris Johnson. It's not because he was in the leave campaign - I'd happily vote for Gove, as he had some convictions and stuck to them - but because he has, in the last week, shown himself to be a greasy, gutless weasel who is in it only for his own self-interest.
Kermit power said:
It's not because he was in the leave campaign - I'd happily vote for Gove, as he had some convictions and stuck to them - but because he has, in the last week, shown himself to be a greasy, gutless weasel who is in it only for his own self-interest.
How does that differentiate Boris from almost all MPs then?Greg66 said:
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
MarshPhantom said:
Diderot said:
Fact is the are 16 million voters blaming Boris on Brexit; he knew he'd be unelectable in general election. It's that simple.
Exactly, he's made himself very unpopular. He's gone from lovable fool to village idiot. are greatly exaggerated.It's disappointing not to have him in the mix and after his role in the referendum he should have been prepared to front up. Given a week is a long time in politics, he'll do an Arnie as you suggest.
After crapping himself following the referendum result he Terminatored his candidacy and left everyone waiting in a pregnant pause before getting his ass off to Mars bars.
Kermit power said:
Not really.
Many of the 16 million (and I'm one of them) are natural Tory voters. A far greater proportion of the 17 million aren't.
There's no way the Northern Working Class leave voters would vote Tory in a national election regardless of whom their leader is, but with the remain voters, far more of them are likely to do so, but probably not if Boris was at the helm.
I've only ever voted Conservative. If Crabb, Gove or May (in order of preference) win, then I'll almost certainly do so again, and probably would under Andrea whatever her name is, but I'd never heard of her until 5 minutes ago. Liam Fox I'm a little less convinced about. Didn't he have to resign a cabinet post over some sort of scandal?
58% of Conservative voters backed leave. If you look at the electoral map there were very few Tory seats which didn't back leave.Many of the 16 million (and I'm one of them) are natural Tory voters. A far greater proportion of the 17 million aren't.
There's no way the Northern Working Class leave voters would vote Tory in a national election regardless of whom their leader is, but with the remain voters, far more of them are likely to do so, but probably not if Boris was at the helm.
I've only ever voted Conservative. If Crabb, Gove or May (in order of preference) win, then I'll almost certainly do so again, and probably would under Andrea whatever her name is, but I'd never heard of her until 5 minutes ago. Liam Fox I'm a little less convinced about. Didn't he have to resign a cabinet post over some sort of scandal?
If by 2020 we have negotiated our exit deal, and implemented it, there will be all to play for no matter who is leader. Europe then wouldn't be the issue and it would be back to more normal party politics.
Kermit power said:
greasy, gutless weasel who is in it only for his own self-interest.
Gove is no different.....405dogvan said:
Boris is nowhere near as stupid as he looks/behaves, he lacks a thick skin tho and has a knack of shooting himself in the foot (such as this week's column which almost certainly led Gove to decide to stab him)
At this stage I suspect he's waiting for lots of people to say "Hey Boris PLEASE stand" - he needs a cuddle before he takes his kills y'see...
I did say to my wife, "I wonder if he's doing a Chris Evans".At this stage I suspect he's waiting for lots of people to say "Hey Boris PLEASE stand" - he needs a cuddle before he takes his kills y'see...
He's waiting for the masses to beat a path to his door pleading him to save us all and take on the mantle of our PM...
M
PS Although I bet the Mail have a LOT of skeletons stored safely away in their cupboard!
JagLover said:
Kermit power said:
Not really.
Many of the 16 million (and I'm one of them) are natural Tory voters. A far greater proportion of the 17 million aren't.
There's no way the Northern Working Class leave voters would vote Tory in a national election regardless of whom their leader is, but with the remain voters, far more of them are likely to do so, but probably not if Boris was at the helm.
I've only ever voted Conservative. If Crabb, Gove or May (in order of preference) win, then I'll almost certainly do so again, and probably would under Andrea whatever her name is, but I'd never heard of her until 5 minutes ago. Liam Fox I'm a little less convinced about. Didn't he have to resign a cabinet post over some sort of scandal?
58% of Conservative voters backed leave. If you look at the electoral map there were very few Tory seats which didn't back leave.Many of the 16 million (and I'm one of them) are natural Tory voters. A far greater proportion of the 17 million aren't.
There's no way the Northern Working Class leave voters would vote Tory in a national election regardless of whom their leader is, but with the remain voters, far more of them are likely to do so, but probably not if Boris was at the helm.
I've only ever voted Conservative. If Crabb, Gove or May (in order of preference) win, then I'll almost certainly do so again, and probably would under Andrea whatever her name is, but I'd never heard of her until 5 minutes ago. Liam Fox I'm a little less convinced about. Didn't he have to resign a cabinet post over some sort of scandal?
If by 2020 we have negotiated our exit deal, and implemented it, there will be all to play for no matter who is leader. Europe then wouldn't be the issue and it would be back to more normal party politics.
boxxob said:
Kermit power said:
I reckon 58% of Conservative voters who will still be alive in 2020 will have voted remain!
I reckon 58% of young people who voted remain will have the experience to know better by 2020 someone obviously had something on boris they threatened to reveal if he ran - I wish I knew what it is. Gotta be plenty of possibilities..
macky17 said:
I reckon at least 58% of people who voted leave will regret it long before that.
someone obviously had something on boris they threatened to reveal if he ran - I wish I knew what it is. Gotta be plenty of possibilities..
Does not explain Gove's jibe at him and the timing. Unless he told Gove that he is supporting May as caretaker PM.someone obviously had something on boris they threatened to reveal if he ran - I wish I knew what it is. Gotta be plenty of possibilities..
I think the whole brexit plan has been a stealth conservative plan from the outset and
Teresa may was always going to be the new leader, it's got the conservatives back to right of centre politics
Without actually looking like they have changed tune on purpose master stroke by the blues
And that Backdoor conservative mr farage has played his part in the plot to dupe the masses brilliantly
Teresa may was always going to be the new leader, it's got the conservatives back to right of centre politics
Without actually looking like they have changed tune on purpose master stroke by the blues
And that Backdoor conservative mr farage has played his part in the plot to dupe the masses brilliantly
loose cannon said:
I think the whole brexit plan has been a stealth conservative plan from the outset and
Teresa may was always going to be the new leader, it's got the conservatives back to right of centre politics
Without actually looking like they have changed tune on purpose master stroke by the blues
And that Backdoor conservative mr farage has played his part in the plot to dupe the masses brilliantly
Totally agree. Gove being CMD's best friend, you can bet that it was agreed that he would do his Brutus as the ultimate 'Stop Borris'. The farce of it though, that his wife 'accidently' sends out an email last night.Teresa may was always going to be the new leader, it's got the conservatives back to right of centre politics
Without actually looking like they have changed tune on purpose master stroke by the blues
And that Backdoor conservative mr farage has played his part in the plot to dupe the masses brilliantly
In the next week, and before the first round of Tory MP's voting, you can expect to see Gove 'reluctantly withdrawing' from the race in favour of more suitable candidates. He has repeatedly said he doesn't want the top job and must also know that he would be unelectable/unpopular with the grass roots. Mumsnet would have a field day.
Time for a steady calm woman to take the healm and a bit of motherly healing. Quite pleased with how this is turning out: A leave vote and Teresa May as leader (or Liam Fox if the party so chooses)
Sam All said:
He has not done badly for himself so far. His story is far from over. He just does not want to be at front, knowing there are many land mines strewed all over the place.
He was the leader of the Brexit liars and he got his way. Now the clueless little coward runs away as he has no chance of clearing up his mess. Good riddance, a month too late unfortunately.So who can out narcisism the next narcisist?
I am truly appalled at how the country has pretty much been sacrificed and for what? So Boris and CMD can settle a playground argument.
Where is Guy Fawkes when he is needed?
The answer to this thread is yes, Boris was s
tting himself and it has landed on all of us.
I am truly appalled at how the country has pretty much been sacrificed and for what? So Boris and CMD can settle a playground argument.
Where is Guy Fawkes when he is needed?
The answer to this thread is yes, Boris was s
tting himself and it has landed on all of us.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff