Will JC Juncker get the chop?
Discussion
amgmcqueen said:
It's astonishing that 16 odd million people voted for Britain to be ruled by that unelected, drunken muppet!
No, what's truly astonishing is how pig ignorant many are who make idiot statements. Juncker doesn't 'rule' over the UK and he was elected into his role. Do yourself a favour, get off your lazy backside and actually educate yourself as to what role the EU Commission has and what JCJ actually does and how he was elected to his position. 
Coolbanana said:
amgmcqueen said:
It's astonishing that 16 odd million people voted for Britain to be ruled by that unelected, drunken muppet!
No, what's truly astonishing is how pig ignorant many are who make idiot statements. Juncker doesn't 'rule' over the UK and he was elected into his role. Do yourself a favour, get off your lazy backside and actually educate yourself as to what role the EU Commission has and what JCJ actually does and how he was elected to his position. 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/eu-d...
Guardian said:
Outside of Luxembourg, it is difficult to find anyone in the EU elite who believes Juncker is the right person at the right time for Europe. "He's the wrong answer to the wrong question," said a senior EU diplomat.
To understand Juncker's improbable rise, it is necessary to go back to the 2009 Lisbon Treaty. The former Luxembourg prime minister landed the job by an overwhelming majority because national leaders sleepwalked into a trap laid by federalist schemers in the European parliament and could not summon the will to do anything about it, just as they appear to have overlooked reading the fine print of the legal text that governs Europe.
A catalogue of complacency, negligence, miscalculation and manoeuvring by national leaders over the past nine months conspired to deliver an outcome no one really wanted – Jean-Claude Juncker, Europe's accidental president.
Arguments about Juncker's suitability only took place after the horse had bolted, too late to reverse the momentum supplied by last month's European elections.
"The leaders individually and collectively didn't quite understand what this was about," said the diplomat. "But in the parliament they were devoted to this and they have more time to deal with it."
Another senior official in Brussels said: "We are at the point of no return. It's done a lot of damage. Now it's about damage limitation."
This sorry tale of mismanagement and ineptitude by Europe's national governments over the past year has saddled the EU with a powerful executive chief for the next five years whom many of them think is not fit for purpose. "The question is, will he be able to manage a large, complex bureaucracy in the 21st century," said another senior EU official, reflecting widespread worries about his management credentials.
To understand Juncker's improbable rise, it is necessary to go back to the 2009 Lisbon Treaty. The former Luxembourg prime minister landed the job by an overwhelming majority because national leaders sleepwalked into a trap laid by federalist schemers in the European parliament and could not summon the will to do anything about it, just as they appear to have overlooked reading the fine print of the legal text that governs Europe.
A catalogue of complacency, negligence, miscalculation and manoeuvring by national leaders over the past nine months conspired to deliver an outcome no one really wanted – Jean-Claude Juncker, Europe's accidental president.
Arguments about Juncker's suitability only took place after the horse had bolted, too late to reverse the momentum supplied by last month's European elections.
"The leaders individually and collectively didn't quite understand what this was about," said the diplomat. "But in the parliament they were devoted to this and they have more time to deal with it."
Another senior official in Brussels said: "We are at the point of no return. It's done a lot of damage. Now it's about damage limitation."
This sorry tale of mismanagement and ineptitude by Europe's national governments over the past year has saddled the EU with a powerful executive chief for the next five years whom many of them think is not fit for purpose. "The question is, will he be able to manage a large, complex bureaucracy in the 21st century," said another senior EU official, reflecting widespread worries about his management credentials.
Coolbanana said:
amgmcqueen said:
It's astonishing that 16 odd million people voted for Britain to be ruled by that unelected, drunken muppet!
No, what's truly astonishing is how pig ignorant many are who make idiot statements. Juncker doesn't 'rule' over the UK and he was elected into his role. Do yourself a favour, get off your lazy backside and actually educate yourself as to what role the EU Commission has and what JCJ actually does and how he was elected to his position. amusingduck said:
BlackLabel said:
The increase means that Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission and Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, will earn about €32,700 euros a month
He's on €392,000 a year?!?!?! What the f
k!Edited by Wobbegong on Tuesday 18th December 14:41
Rovinghawk said:
Alternatively it's a disapproval of a system that could get the likes of JCJ into power.
20 pages on a thread titled "Will JC Juncker get the chop?" suggests a fair bit of it is personal.Please don't think I'm defending him by the way, I'm not, I'm simply questioning whether many people play the man rather than the ball when it comes to some aspects of the EU.
Puggit said:
Coolbanana said:
amgmcqueen said:
It's astonishing that 16 odd million people voted for Britain to be ruled by that unelected, drunken muppet!
No, what's truly astonishing is how pig ignorant many are who make idiot statements. Juncker doesn't 'rule' over the UK and he was elected into his role. Do yourself a favour, get off your lazy backside and actually educate yourself as to what role the EU Commission has and what JCJ actually does and how he was elected to his position. bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Rovinghawk said:
Alternatively it's a disapproval of a system that could get the likes of JCJ into power.
20 pages on a thread titled "Will JC Juncker get the chop?" suggests a fair bit of it is personal.Please don't think I'm defending him by the way, I'm not, I'm simply questioning whether many people play the man rather than the ball when it comes to some aspects of the EU.
Digga said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Rovinghawk said:
Alternatively it's a disapproval of a system that could get the likes of JCJ into power.
20 pages on a thread titled "Will JC Juncker get the chop?" suggests a fair bit of it is personal.Please don't think I'm defending him by the way, I'm not, I'm simply questioning whether many people play the man rather than the ball when it comes to some aspects of the EU.
Rovinghawk said:
Digga said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Rovinghawk said:
Alternatively it's a disapproval of a system that could get the likes of JCJ into power.
20 pages on a thread titled "Will JC Juncker get the chop?" suggests a fair bit of it is personal.Please don't think I'm defending him by the way, I'm not, I'm simply questioning whether many people play the man rather than the ball when it comes to some aspects of the EU.
amusingduck said:
Interesting article. Back when the Guardian DID journalism and not ridiculousness! 
Good to see Cameron voted against JCJ. Interesting that the seeds of Brexit were sown off the back of JCJ appointment.
Junckers time is up this time next year. Selmayr is obviously the shoe in. But I would imagine there's no one else in the EU whose likely to get his job that will slow this march towards a USoE?
For those wondering who Selmayr is, he is the illegally appointed Secretary General and heir apparent to JCJ:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/04/eu-w...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/04/eu-w...
Puggit said:
For those wondering who Selmayr is, he is the illegally appointed Secretary General and heir apparent to JCJ:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/04/eu-w...
As I noted on another thread, the EU Parliament have passed a resolution demanding that Selmayr resigns. Non binding, and will probably be ignored by the Commission, but at least a bit of rebellion against his dodgy shoe horning into place by Druncker. Only seen in French press for the moment.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/04/eu-w...
https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2018/...
irocfan said:
Rovinghawk said:
Digga said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Rovinghawk said:
Alternatively it's a disapproval of a system that could get the likes of JCJ into power.
20 pages on a thread titled "Will JC Juncker get the chop?" suggests a fair bit of it is personal.Please don't think I'm defending him by the way, I'm not, I'm simply questioning whether many people play the man rather than the ball when it comes to some aspects of the EU.
YankeePorker said:
As I noted on another thread, the EU Parliament have passed a resolution demanding that Selmayr resigns. Non binding, and will probably be ignored by the Commission, but at least a bit of rebellion against his dodgy shoe horning into place by Druncker. Only seen in French press for the moment.
https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2018/...
Well there is a *rare* heart warming story from the centre of the EU. https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2018/...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Rovinghawk said:
Alternatively it's a disapproval of a system that could get the likes of JCJ into power.
20 pages on a thread titled "Will JC Juncker get the chop?" suggests a fair bit of it is personal.Please don't think I'm defending him by the way, I'm not, I'm simply questioning whether many people play the man rather than the ball when it comes to some aspects of the EU.
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