Farage in Brussels - a national embarrassment

[TTwiggy]

lostkiwi said:

We finally agree on something!

I have wondered all though this what Nigel's angle was. Boris was to be MP. Gove was likely similar.
Nigel's was never clear but I'm starting to suspect it was ego.

Nah. Boris PM, then he makes Nige a Lord and offers him a back door into the cabinet. Then Nige arranges for the cabinet to meet an unhappy accident while he's 'somewhere else' and stages a takeover

[lostkiwi]

TTwiggy said:

lostkiwi said:

We finally agree on something!

I have wondered all though this what Nigel's angle was. Boris was to be MP. Gove was likely similar.
Nigel's was never clear but I'm starting to suspect it was ego.

Nah. Boris PM, then he makes Nige a Lord and offers him a back door into the cabinet. Then Nige arranges for the cabinet to meet an unhappy accident while he's 'somewhere else' and stages a takeover

Funnily enough thats not the first time I've heard the suggestion of Farage as a lord....
(Yep - that would be democratic!)

[TTwiggy]

don4l said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

we are all better off to the tune of £10Bn a year.

please show your working.

Nah!

So in 25 years it will have covered the £250bn that the BOE had to pump into the economy after the vote result. When can I expect my new hospital?

[Enricogto]

anonymous said:

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The UK didn't ask for reform, asked for more concessions.
Yesterday the three largest remaining economies (and net contributors, if we want to use the usual riff) met to discuss the impacts, today all the 27 states are discussing next steps.
I think if you did a bit more research you would see that not everyone is keen to leave, and although I personally hope, for my own interest, that the UK will thrive, this is yet to be demonstrated.

[durbster]

anonymous said:

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What were they asked to reform?

[Du1point8]

Sam All said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

we are all better off to the tune of £10Bn a year.

please show your working.

Net contribution, but as we all know it is not as simple as that. The loss in trade could easily drown that (will hurt both parties), equally new trade could enhance it for us- in time.

The gain in trade could easily eclipse that, from the new reports Germany don't want to hurt the UK despite the fact Juncker does as they know it could mean loss of jobs and money that is unnecessary.

How long before US/China/etc line up trade agreements... How long before EU state, that if you deal with UK, you lose the EU as a trade partner to be petty?

[FredClogs]

sidicks said:

FredClogs said:

Yes he's been hugely influential (on this single topic) whilst at the same time never been elected to a British Public office. Is this the famous British democracy the leavers are so determined to protect?

Yes:

The majority of people supported his views on leaving the EU.
The majority of people did not support the wider policies of his party.

They voted accordingly.

That's exactly democracy in action - why don't you understand this?

Not really though is it, because as we're finding out the leave vote is split between those, like Boris, who wanted to leave the EU but remain in the common market and continue with free movement and this like Farage that want to divorce ourselves completely.

Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.

[don4l]

TTwiggy said:

don4l said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

we are all better off to the tune of £10Bn a year.

please show your working.

Nah!

So in 25 years it will have covered the £250bn that the BOE had to pump into the economy after the vote result. When can I expect my new hospital?

We can start building in two years.

Meanwhile, I wonder why the queen is looking so happy?

[Derek Smith]

Username888 said:

He's one of the most honest politicians that I have come across.

Does that mean he's going to put £350m a week into the NHS out of his own pocket now we've left?

[lostkiwi]

don4l said:

TTwiggy said:

don4l said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

we are all better off to the tune of £10Bn a year.

please show your working.

Nah!

So in 25 years it will have covered the £250bn that the BOE had to pump into the economy after the vote result. When can I expect my new hospital?

We can start building in two years.

Meanwhile, I wonder why the queen is looking so happy?

Wind.....

[don4l]

Du1point8 said:

How long before EU state, that if you deal with UK, you lose the EU as a trade partner to be petty?

That would be illegal under WTO rules. It isn't even a possibility.

[alfie2244]

FredClogs said:

Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/judge-says-nigel-farages-defeat-by-tories-could-be-ruled-void-ov/

[Sparkyhd]

Farage has played his role in getting the right result. He's rather like a Championship player helping win promotion; his robust aproach won the league but he probably lacks the silky skills to play in the Premier League so he'll be moved on.

[Sylvaforever]

Zod said:

alfie2244 said:

DMN said:

As pointed above, at least the weapons grade bellend actually managed to turn up this time.

You prefer Junker et al then do you?

I'd like to lock the pair of them in a room.

Forever.

Ah Zod how's life this week.

[alfie2244]

Sparkyhd said:

Farage has played his role in getting the right result. He's rather like a Championship player helping win promotion; his robust aproach won the league but he probably lacks the silky skills to play in the Premier League so he'll be moved on.

I agree except I feel he may need to stick around a tad longer just in case

Edited by alfie2244 on Tuesday 28th June 14:29

[OzzyR1]

don4l said:

Meanwhile, I wonder why the queen is looking so happy?

£14 million bonus on the cards this year.

[mwstewart]

Du1point8 said:

Sam All said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

we are all better off to the tune of £10Bn a year.

please show your working.

Net contribution, but as we all know it is not as simple as that. The loss in trade could easily drown that (will hurt both parties), equally new trade could enhance it for us- in time.

The gain in trade could easily eclipse that, from the new reports Germany don't want to hurt the UK despite the fact Juncker does as they know it could mean loss of jobs and money that is unnecessary.

How long before US/China/etc line up trade agreements... How long before EU state, that if you deal with UK, you lose the EU as a trade partner to be petty?

I posted https://next.ft.com/content/d35362a0-3c57-11e6-871... yesterday.

[Turquoise]

Crafty_ said:

lostkiwi said:

This thread is entirely the reason Farage should not be involved in Brexit negotiations.
He may be a good politician (I personally don't agree I hasten to add) but he is not a good negotiator.
He is far too divisive to be an asset in any negotiations, not just with the EU but with the electorate.

I agree and don't think he will want to be involved in negotiations, because that means he has to take some responsibility. He doesn't want to do that, he prefers to stand on the sidelines shouting and jeering. When this all goes pearshaped he'll be blaming whichever Government is in power for not doing it right.

As the leader of a national political party he's had more responsibility than you two will ever see.

[swimd]

A greek co-worker commented on the Brexit today. His silver lining is that the way things are going, Greece won't be the most hated nation of the EU for much longer.

[lostkiwi]

Turquoise said:

Crafty_ said:

lostkiwi said:

This thread is entirely the reason Farage should not be involved in Brexit negotiations.
He may be a good politician (I personally don't agree I hasten to add) but he is not a good negotiator.
He is far too divisive to be an asset in any negotiations, not just with the EU but with the electorate.

I agree and don't think he will want to be involved in negotiations, because that means he has to take some responsibility. He doesn't want to do that, he prefers to stand on the sidelines shouting and jeering. When this all goes pearshaped he'll be blaming whichever Government is in power for not doing it right.

As the leader of a national political party he's had more responsibility than you two will ever see.

Relevance to what I said?