How do we think EU negotiations will go?
Discussion
sidicks said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Is not an argument. Odd when you could have hit it with Sid bingo. (Ignorant, generalisation, strawman etc. etc).
Neither is your original post any form of ‘argument’ or attempt at discussion. It’s simply your personal opinions which don’t stack up to scrutiny. As ever.
k my humourless stalker. I have a day planned which explicitly excludes wading through your whiny ste for hours on end.Eddie Strohacker said:
No so, Sydney. It was a direct response to Carl that I widened to include every leaver I've ever encountered here including you. but well done on shoehorning in the Sid classic denigrating me. Now off you fk my humourless stalker. I have a day planned which explicitly excludes wading through your whiny ste for hours on end.
Post reported k my humourless stalker. I have a day planned which explicitly excludes wading through your whiny ste for hours on end.drainbrain said:
indeed, government incompetence yet again.
jsf said:
curlie467 said:
I was all for and would still be for a reform.
Due to the absolute farce that is out government and the hysterical nature of negotiations, wouldn't it be a sensible move to put the brakes on the whole thing?
I'm not saying to revoke the whole process but to calm it all down and think things through, on both sides, as all I can see is chaos, a bewilderingly stupid government and an unhelpful EU.
I dunno, just chunnering to myself
The faster this nonsense is over, the faster the UK can start rebuilding its economy. There would be nothing worse for the long term than to keep this dragging on.Due to the absolute farce that is out government and the hysterical nature of negotiations, wouldn't it be a sensible move to put the brakes on the whole thing?
I'm not saying to revoke the whole process but to calm it all down and think things through, on both sides, as all I can see is chaos, a bewilderingly stupid government and an unhelpful EU.
I dunno, just chunnering to myself
At the rate that negotiations are making progress I can see a transitional agreement covering first 2 then 5 then 10 then 25 years
Of course it will please some......
Murph7355 said:
digimeistter said:
I have to admit it's positive, The first time Merkel has deigned to meet with our PM or any of our representatives during these negotiations! I wonder why?
She's probably up for some advice on how to form a government after doing badly in a GE. 
#maywellbetrue
B'stard Child said:
+1
At the rate that negotiations are making progress I can see a transitional agreement covering first 2 then 5 then 10 then 25 years
Of course it will please some......
It won’t please anyone.At the rate that negotiations are making progress I can see a transitional agreement covering first 2 then 5 then 10 then 25 years
Of course it will please some......
If we do that it will be because it is less catastrophic than a hard exit.
And a slow drifting exit will also be painful.
All Brexit options are poor outcomes for the UK. The evidence is stacking up daily.
The answer is - and alway was - obvious. Whilst it hasn’t dropped, the penny should at least be teetering now.
So the UK has liabilities with the EU for roughly £21Bn. This should be a hard and fast number for leaving the EU. The EU then need to dictate a price for rejoining the single market, but, the numbers do need to be broken down and validated.
Irish border, simplifying things this is a partied wall and therefore is an issue for both the EU and UK, who maintains the Greek / Turkey border ? plenty of examples where precedents take order. Seems the EU is behaving like a spoilt child demanding that everything new will be the responsibility of the departing entity with very little ownership on their behalf.
The EU as an entity works, but only just. Smaller countries are being kept afloat by the larger ones. Resentment is starting to rise in the EU countries (as seen by election results), although not enough to oust an EU favourable leader but enough to cast enough doubt over the way the leaders are leading. Look at Merkel, struggling in Germany, hardly convincing in France or Holland. I am not saying change will happen soon, but as a continuing process without the UK's money into the pot, the EU will have to adapt and change.
Irish border, simplifying things this is a partied wall and therefore is an issue for both the EU and UK, who maintains the Greek / Turkey border ? plenty of examples where precedents take order. Seems the EU is behaving like a spoilt child demanding that everything new will be the responsibility of the departing entity with very little ownership on their behalf.
The EU as an entity works, but only just. Smaller countries are being kept afloat by the larger ones. Resentment is starting to rise in the EU countries (as seen by election results), although not enough to oust an EU favourable leader but enough to cast enough doubt over the way the leaders are leading. Look at Merkel, struggling in Germany, hardly convincing in France or Holland. I am not saying change will happen soon, but as a continuing process without the UK's money into the pot, the EU will have to adapt and change.
tribalsurfer said:
Irish border, simplifying things this is a partied wall and therefore is an issue for both the EU and UK, who maintains the Greek / Turkey border ? plenty of examples where precedents take order. Seems the EU is behaving like a spoilt child demanding that everything new will be the responsibility of the departing entity with very little ownership on their behalf.
Turkey is in the EU customs union, the UK won't be.With regards to productivity, wages, training of workers etc.
It seems some people think that Brexit is an event so intrusive that we can't do anything until it's over. Some seem to think that without the government doing something about it nothing will happen.
On the other hand, some think that perhaps it's up to the companies in question, the schools and colleges, and the entrepreneurs to look at this situation and say "We can do something about this".
It's not as if it's a single variable equation - there's no universally better approach. Higher wages are good for the workers, bad for companies trying to keep down costs. Higher wages also encourage people to train for particular jobs, and make automation or investment in tooling more attractive. Automation puts people out of work.. and around we go.
There really is no reason for Brexit to paralyse the country. Yes, uncertainty makes the business environment tricky, but the worst thing you can do in business is nothing. Is Brexit damaging productivity? Nope - this is a decades long problem that needs a different approach, one that possibly doesn't involve applying for a heavy handed grant scheme. Where we need help for businesses, we should be telling the government what is needed, not waiting for some higher authority to magically read our minds and deliver a better working environment on a plate.
It seems some people think that Brexit is an event so intrusive that we can't do anything until it's over. Some seem to think that without the government doing something about it nothing will happen.
On the other hand, some think that perhaps it's up to the companies in question, the schools and colleges, and the entrepreneurs to look at this situation and say "We can do something about this".
It's not as if it's a single variable equation - there's no universally better approach. Higher wages are good for the workers, bad for companies trying to keep down costs. Higher wages also encourage people to train for particular jobs, and make automation or investment in tooling more attractive. Automation puts people out of work.. and around we go.
There really is no reason for Brexit to paralyse the country. Yes, uncertainty makes the business environment tricky, but the worst thing you can do in business is nothing. Is Brexit damaging productivity? Nope - this is a decades long problem that needs a different approach, one that possibly doesn't involve applying for a heavy handed grant scheme. Where we need help for businesses, we should be telling the government what is needed, not waiting for some higher authority to magically read our minds and deliver a better working environment on a plate.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Turkey is in the EU customs union, the UK won't be.
It sort of is. It isn't in it for every sector and external EU FTA agreements do not fully apply to Turkey. In short, it is a bit of an oddball in that it is basically in but doesn't get all the advantages of being so.Even so, there are fairly substantial border controls between the EU and Turkey, it is hardly a model for a NI/RoI "open" border.
Edited by confused_buyer on Saturday 25th November 11:36
Robertj21a said:
Simple question on the difficult Ireland issue.
I can see that, despite numerous meetings, proposals, rants and denials, we get to March 2019 and the UK and EU simply cannot agree any solution that is acceptable to both parties........
Do we just leave the EU anyway ?
Why wouldn't we?I can see that, despite numerous meetings, proposals, rants and denials, we get to March 2019 and the UK and EU simply cannot agree any solution that is acceptable to both parties........
Do we just leave the EU anyway ?
Tail, dog.
Robertj21a said:
Simple question on the difficult Ireland issue.
I can see that, despite numerous meetings, proposals, rants and denials, we get to March 2019 and the UK and EU simply cannot agree any solution that is acceptable to both parties........
Do we just leave the EU anyway ?
What do you think we should do? Leave with no deal causing a massive issue in Ireland and damaging both UK, EU and Eire?I can see that, despite numerous meetings, proposals, rants and denials, we get to March 2019 and the UK and EU simply cannot agree any solution that is acceptable to both parties........
Do we just leave the EU anyway ?
You voted for it, what is your solution?
Robertj21a said:
///ajd said:
What do you think we should do? Leave with no deal causing a massive issue in Ireland and damaging both UK, EU and Eire?
You voted for it, what is your solution?
Thank you, can't even answer the simplest of questions without asking another question (as usual).You voted for it, what is your solution?
What is your answer? Do you even have one?
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