How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[Camoradi]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Finally, recognition of my genius amongst the sea of long faces in here.

Sarcasm aside, what is your view of the Euratom departure as one who presumably is closer to the issue than the rest of the armchair generals?

I haven't really followed it closely Eddie. To be honest my eyes just glaze over when she starts on about the latest procurement fiasco at BNFL or whatever they're called these days

[Eddie Strohacker]

Camoradi said:

I haven't really followed it closely Eddie. To be honest my eyes just glaze over when she starts on about the latest procurement fiasco at BNFL or whatever they're called these days

Fair enough, I'll leave it in the bulging circular firing squad file for now, then.

[Digga]

Speaking of project fear, bit of a clanger from the FT here: https://twitter.com/notayesmansecon/status/8879569...

[Camoradi]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Fair enough, I'll leave it in the bulging circular firing squad file for now, then.

very wise

[anonymous-user]

cookie118 said:

jsf said:

cookie118 said:

Wait what? No-one is saying the uranium deposits are running out-just that the Uk has a finite amount and replenishing it is dependant on EURATOM or its replacement.

Do you honestly think the UK is incapable of organising this?

Again-missing the point. I'm not saying that the UK can't organise this, just that we don't hold all the cards in the negotiation. We can't just name a price to the EU on storing their waste (which was TBB's original point).

In terms of b2's questions-I don't have all the answers. But the chair of the UKAEA and numerous other figures in the nuclear industry are saying that they are very concerned over this.

Edited by cookie118 on Thursday 20th July 06:57

The point I am not missing is that we are more than capable of resolving all these so called difficult issues, the stance that the UK will fail to manage issues like this is what makes the position of the ardent remainers untenable on virtually every subject.

In a previous life I used to walk about on the top of nuclear reactors for a living, it's no different than any other industry, process and paperwork is all these issues are when you get to the nitty gritty. Market forces will determine costs.

If anything the nuclear industry is going to be a no brainer situation because we do so much for the rest of the EU in managing their difficult to manage issues. They would have to be utterly insane to stop that, it would give them a huge headache to try and fix in 18 months time.

[turbobloke]

jsf said:

cookie118 said:

jsf said:

cookie118 said:

Wait what? No-one is saying the uranium deposits are running out-just that the Uk has a finite amount and replenishing it is dependant on EURATOM or its replacement.

Do you honestly think the UK is incapable of organising this?

Again-missing the point. I'm not saying that the UK can't organise this, just that we don't hold all the cards in the negotiation. We can't just name a price to the EU on storing their waste (which was TBB's original point).

In terms of b2's questions-I don't have all the answers. But the chair of the UKAEA and numerous other figures in the nuclear industry are saying that they are very concerned over this.

Edited by cookie118 on Thursday 20th July 06:57

The point I am not missing is that we are more than capable of resolving all these so called difficult issues, the stance that the UK will fail to manage issues like this is what makes the position of the ardent remainers untenable on virtually every subject.

[Tuna]

b2hbm said:

cookie118 said:

In terms of b2's questions-I don't have all the answers. But the chair of the UKAEA and numerous other figures in the nuclear industry are saying that they are very concerned over this.

Thanks for an honest reply, these threads would be much better if more posters could accept that they rarely have all the answers.

Of course there hasn't been an industry that works across borders that hasn't said it's 'concerned' about Brexit. We're in the middle of negotiations where a lot of very comfortable arrangements are coming under scrutiny (some for the first time ever). It shouldn't be surprising that various representatives of those industries 1) want to do all they can to preserve the status quo and 2) want to push for existing arrangements to be stretched to improve their lot.

If someone could actually point to any industry representative that's posted something to the effect of "Nah, we're all right, don't worry about us" it would be newsworthy. The people currently in power are the ones who have benefited from existing arrangements. Companies that have been driven away or hurt by existing arrangements aren't "industry leaders". So when opinions are sought, nine times out of ten you'll hear from people who've done very well out of the current situation and don't want to loose that.

That's not to say that I'm claiming the slightest knowledge of the nuclear industry, just that this discussion repeats the same pattern again and again and again... "The car industry is concerned - that proves Brexit is bad"..."The financial sector is concerned - that proves Brexit is bad"... "International transport is concerned..."

Edited by Tuna on Thursday 20th July 11:16

[FiF]

Camoradi said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Finally, recognition of my genius amongst the sea of long faces in here.

Sarcasm aside, what is your view of the Euratom departure as one who presumably is closer to the issue than the rest of the armchair generals?

I haven't really followed it closely Eddie. To be honest my eyes just glaze over when she starts on about the latest procurement fiasco at BNFL or whatever they're called these days

Don't talk to me about BNFL procurement. Closest I've ever got in a meeting to walking round the table and sticking someone on the floor.

[ORD]

Yeah! fk those successful companies. Who cares what they say?!

Who cares what happens to the companies that pay 1/3 of all UK tax?!

You literally could not make up either the blithering idiocy or the supreme insouciance of Brexiteers.

If our top companies suffer, we all suffer. Badly.

[Eddie Strohacker]

jsf said:

The point I am not missing is that we are more than capable of resolving all these so called difficult issues, the stance that the UK will fail to manage issues like this is what makes the position of the ardent remainers untenable on virtually every subject.

In a previous life I used to walk about on the top of nuclear reactors for a living, it's no different than any other industry, process and paperwork is all these issues are when you get to the nitty gritty. Market forces will determine costs.

If anything the nuclear industry is going to be a no brainer situation because we do so much for the rest of the EU in managing their difficult to manage issues. They would have to be utterly insane to stop that, it would give them a huge headache to try and fix in 18 months time.

The blind faith is touching & 'so called' is a triumph of the genre, but then in the third act, it moves back to Ze Germans need to sell us Audis.

6/10 Wouldn't go again, might buy the Blu Ray.

[hyphen]

ORD said:

Yeah! fk those successful companies. Who cares what they say?!

Who cares what happens to the companies that pay 1/3 of all UK tax?!

You literally could not make up either the blithering idiocy or the supreme insouciance of Brexiteers.

If our top companies suffer, we all suffer. Badly.

Our top companies? Have you seen the FTSE 100 post referendum.Multi national miners and Oil companies are doing just fine with the pound being lower...

[ORD]

hyphen said:

ORD said:

Yeah! fk those successful companies. Who cares what they say?!

Who cares what happens to the companies that pay 1/3 of all UK tax?!

You literally could not make up either the blithering idiocy or the supreme insouciance of Brexiteers.

If our top companies suffer, we all suffer. Badly.

Our top companies? Have you seen the FTSE 100 post referendum.

Multi national miners and Oil companies are doing just fine with the pound being lower- most of the FTSE 100 make their money outside the UK.

Heaven help us! Ignorance truly is bliss.

FTSE 100 companies are not performing well. They are simply declaring higher Sterling revenues because money earned in foreign currencies is worth more thanks to the collapse of our currency.

A collapsing currency is generally a bad sign.

And Brexit has not yet happened. These companies still benefit from membership of the Single Market.

The fact that they are doing OK tells you nothing about the pain they will feel if this country goes into Full Brexit Moron Mode.

[Carl_Manchester]

Digga said:

Speaking of project fear, bit of a clanger from the FT here: https://twitter.com/notayesmansecon/status/8879569...

Typo on year aside it would be a more interesting graph if they had plotted the total uk personal credit numbers on a separate line.

I don't know whether to be re-assured by the consumer retail spending line shooting for the stars or to be tightening my seatbelt and clutching onto the seat handles

Totally unconnected to brexit of course, more a result of a BOE drunk at the controls afraid to touch any of the buttons in case they do worse than the computer currently flying the plane.

[ORD]

Nonsense - massive consumer debt has everything to do with the 23% drop in disposal income that is, in turn, attributable to the Brexit vote and collapse of Sterling.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Back on topic ....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4713614/Fe...

.... but nothing to report for 4 days work.

[Carl_Manchester]

ORD said:

Nonsense - massive consumer debt has everything to do with the 23% drop in disposal income that is, in turn, attributable to the Brexit vote and collapse of Sterling.

Do you have a source for this 23% drop or can you share your working out?

[Nothingtoseehere]

Carl_Manchester said:

Do you have a source for this 23% drop or can you share your working out?

I'm still waiting for his poll that everyone's changed their mind on brexit..

[p1stonhead]

Nothingtoseehere said:

Carl_Manchester said:

Do you have a source for this 23% drop or can you share your working out?

I'm still waiting for his poll that everyone's changed their mind on brexit..

Lots of polls say lots of things. Are any of them accurate? I think the Election taught us not to believe anything.

Some do say however that a majority would now vote remain;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/823709/Brexit-pol...

[Murph7355]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Back on topic ....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4713614/Fe...

.... but nothing to report for 4 days work.

So the EU want us to pay what we are alleged to owe, but want us to tell them what that figure is and how it is made up? Seriously?

[jjlynn27]

p1stonhead said:

Lots of polls say lots of things. Are any of them accurate? I think the Election taught us not to believe anything.

Some do say however that a majority would now vote remain;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/823709/Brexit-pol...

LOL. Someone is trolling express pretty hard; 58% of express readers would vote to stay in the EU if another referendum.