How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[Nothingtoseehere]

loafer123 said:

You do have to be careful about the question...it is perfectly possible to support Brexit now, but vote Remain if you were given another chance.

If anything, the person who is like that is a real believer in demomcracy.

The thing you have to be careful of is believing polls.
Because they're complete bullst.

[alfie2244]

Nothingtoseehere said:

loafer123 said:

You do have to be careful about the question...it is perfectly possible to support Brexit now, but vote Remain if you were given another chance.

If anything, the person who is like that is a real believer in demomcracy.

The thing you have to be careful of is believing polls.
Because they're complete bullst.

I wonder if there are surveys that analyse the makeup of people that take part in polls.I've never been asked myself.

[citizensm1th]

Deptford Draylons said:

Didn't vote ? How come ?
Would be interesting to know which way Remainers voted at the last general election. So far though they are a secretive bunch refusing to say.

I voted tory for one reason only,if any party need to get branded with the title of the party that fked up brexit it is the torys

so far it looks to me like they are performing to all my expectations

[Nothingtoseehere]

alfie2244 said:

I wonder if there are surveys that analyse the makeup of people that take part in polls.I've never been asked myself.

We need a poll to see how many have been asked to take part in a poll.

[Tuna]

ORD said:

Such sad times when people are than infantile.

'If they are going to mean, I would rather take the drop in quality of life than just be a grown up and deal with it.'

You you're saying we should 'man up and deal with it' when it comes to the EU,

But not 'man up and deal with it' when it comes to Brexit?

Sounds like some form of Stockholm Syndrome.

[alfie2244]

Nothingtoseehere said:

alfie2244 said:

I wonder if there are surveys that analyse the makeup of people that take part in polls.I've never been asked myself.

We need a poll to see how many have been asked to take part in a poll.

And if we get the wrong answers?

[Nothingtoseehere]

alfie2244 said:

And if we get the wrong answers?

You have another poll.

[Tuna]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Yes, but it's a moot point as once A50 is triggered the ability to rescind it is questionable.

I was just interested if leave voters thought it should be effected if subsequent developments changed peoples mind about wanting to leave.

The nice thing about living in a democracy is that there is the opportunity to ask these questions and challenge the government. Given the current slim majority of the government, if the public mood really changes away from Brexit, I'm fairly sure both Labour and the more rebellious Tories will challenge the deal we get

It's notable that despite certain commentators claiming that people have changed their minds, we just had an election where the opposition didn't think that Brexit was an area they could fight on. Corbyn made capital of many of the Tories' plans, but not leaving. I think that speaks volumes about the feedback they were actually getting on the street from their voters.

I find it strange to think that some remainers seem to think that they are uniquely able to see the folly of Brexit, where the vast majority of MPs, who have to deal with questions around it every day are happy for the current negotiations to continue. If the process is such a catastrophic failure as some would have it, why aren't Labour making a big deal of it? It's interesting that the biggest challenge is coming from the dissatisfied corner of the Tory party who got it so wrong during the Brexit vote.

For me, the strongest indicator has been Question Time. It's so distrusted by the powerfully build directors on PistonHeads that we have our own thread to complain about the naked bias shown by the audience. Yet over the last year there has been a steady and very clear shift in that audience. Watch the last few broadcasts, and you'll see that any of the panel saying we should "get on with it" tends to get applause, and anyone seen to be prevaricating actually gets boo'ed. That's a huge difference from immediately post Brexit, where there was much outrage that anyone could have considered voting leave.

So for the moment, it feels to me that the general mood is that we should get on with it. It also feels that the powers that be aren't so blinkered and committed that a genuinely disastrous deal wouldn't be challenged at every level. The fact that no-one is mounting a serious challenge right now suggests that people who believe the sky is going to fall are in an absolute minority. They might (like ORD) think that this just shows that everyone else is just a moron, but we collectively voted for those politicians, so they're our morons.

Edited by Tuna on Saturday 22 July 16:29

[alfie2244]

Nothingtoseehere said:

alfie2244 said:

And if we get the wrong answers?

You have another poll.

Who will pay the £9m required to send a leaflet to every UK household?

[alfie2244]

Tuna said:

So for the moment, it feels to me that the general mood is that we should get on with it.

We went to Gib last December and, despite overwhelmingly voting to stay, every single person I spoke to just wanted to "get on with it."

[PurpleMoonlight]

alfie2244 said:

Tuna said:

So for the moment, it feels to me that the general mood is that we should get on with it.

We went to Gib last December and, despite overwhelmingly voting to stay, every single person I spoke to just wanted to "get on with it."

People, other than PH, have short attention spans and are bored with it all now.

[p1stonhead]

alfie2244 said:

Tuna said:

So for the moment, it feels to me that the general mood is that we should get on with it.

We went to Gib last December and, despite overwhelmingly voting to stay, every single person I spoke to just wanted to "get on with it."

Even if you expect it to be bad, knowing is better than not knowing.

See MH370.

[Tuna]

PurpleMoonlight said:

People, other than PH, have short attention spans and are bored with it all now.

'tis true - which is why I'd rather it be overseen by the people (politicians, civil servants etc.) who are paid to live with it day in day out, than putting it to another public vote (with all the lies and propaganda - from both sides - that would imply).

[alfie2244]

PurpleMoonlight said:

alfie2244 said:

Tuna said:

So for the moment, it feels to me that the general mood is that we should get on with it.

We went to Gib last December and, despite overwhelmingly voting to stay, every single person I spoke to just wanted to "get on with it."

People, other than PH, have short attention spans and are bored with it all now.

Not sure if that would apply to Gib........I hear about potential issues relating to negotiating Ireland's borders but 60k crossing between Spain / Gib twice a day needs to be resolved as well.

[b2hbm]

///ajd said:

b2hbm said:

Stuff

It's reported as a leaked treasury report.

If you take at face value it is a treasury report, then odds are it is balanced, especially if for internal use only. I'm not sure how many reports you think the treasury create that are "complete rubbish" but I'd suspect not many, if any. You may disagree or question assumptions, but they are unlikely to be the sort of breitbart/Farage utter garbage/lies that you imply. Civil servants don't tend to get away with telling whoppers, or perhaps you think they do.

Priceless. Even for you slasher old mate, that's excellent.

Although you're right I suppose, Osborne and Cameron didn't get away with telling those whoppers about economic armageddon and emergency budgets last year, did they ? Even Mark Carney had his 2 cent's worth of dire predictions as well IIRC. Obviously they were ill advised, I wonder where they got their forecasts from ?

///ajd said:

I'll give you 1/10 for trying to pretend treasury concerns over WTO are complete rubbish. Hammond is saying it - where do you think he's getting his advice?

only 1 ? ah well, as one of those stupid brexit voters, I don't suppose I can expect any more. Never mind, I'll get over it.

[powerstroke]

alfie2244 said:

Nothingtoseehere said:

alfie2244 said:

And if we get the wrong answers?

You have another poll.

Who will pay the £9m required to send a leaflet to every UK household?

Gina Millar and her Quisling banker mates perhaps ???

[PurpleMoonlight]

alfie2244 said:

Who will pay the £9m required to send a leaflet to every UK household?

I remember getting a UKIP leaflet funded by the EU.

[powerstroke]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I remember getting a UKIP leaflet funded by the EU.

The BBC also got a good chunk!! anyway at least it wasn't the UK tax payer for a change ..

[alfie2244]

PurpleMoonlight said:

alfie2244 said:

Who will pay the £9m required to send a leaflet to every UK household?

I remember getting a UKIP leaflet funded by the EU.

So nice of them to fund, even with our own monies, the very organisation that had the No1 ambition of getting the UK out of the biggest Ponzi scheme on earth....money well spent I would say.

[PurpleMoonlight]

alfie2244 said:

So nice of them to fund, even with our own monies, the very organisation that had the No1 ambition of getting the UK out of the biggest Ponzi scheme on earth....money well spent I would say.

It's not a Ponzi scheme.